Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 280 (+30) / 140s (-47.5) / 2 (+0.667)

Yay, Firetail sucking slightly less \o/

I think CCP should use this opportunity to Rehaul the Firetail and further the alternate Matari doctrine of launcher hulls

You made the Cyclone fresh, do the same with the Firetail

You say Navy frigs are in between Inties and AFs, the Matari AF and Inty line is far too 1 dimensional

Wolf, Jaguar, Claw and Stilleto are all Autocannon platforms

Breacher, Talwar, Bellicose and Cyclone (future Typhoon), the Firetail as a launcher platform fits well in and adds freshness with much needed diversity.

The Slicer is great at Kiting point range
The Comet is most versatile can brawl in your face, scram range or kite point range
The Hookbill is the best scram range brawler and not a bad point range kiter

The Firetail as it stands, even buffed is just not unique enough - the Jaguar, Slasher and Rifter are far too similar to it, and it adds nothing in flavour over the other 3 Navy Frigs (apart from its supremely unique design)

Use this chance - keep up the great rebalance effort - and make the Firetail a fun rocket-LML boat

can we expect when you do a pass of t2 ships that they will inherit most of the changes made to the base ship? where logical ofc, i don't expect to see hawks/harpies both have blaster bonuses (might we expect one of them to change to a t2 version of kestrel now that stealth bombers have their own models?)

i mostly ask because the idea of the t2 being an upgraded/specialized t1 has always seemed super cool to me, and i'd hate to see that fall by the wayside. plus i want a deimos with a tracking bonus

back on topic, i feel like the hookbil is too close to the kestrel and the firetail is too close to the slasher. the slicer is great and people do cool things with it all the time, and the comet is a nice cross between the tristan and the incursus. i think minimatar lack a speedy rocket frigate, and fast auto cannon ships are common as muck, so i'd like to see the firetail go in that direction. the hookbil on the other hand is just a kestrel with an extra mid that has to shoot scourge, and that's boring. as caldari like to use rails and have no fast frigate ship with a hybrid range bonus, i think the hookbil would do nicely. but both these changes are fairly radical, and it doesn't look like thats what you want to do. also contrary to what i just said from a gameplay standpoint, from an immersion standpoint the racial navy ship should really use the primary weapon system for that race, so im dumb.

i just hope ceptors get some lock range loving like these ships are. being forced into double ionics on every ceptor isn't fun

Glad to see that the faction frigates are getting some attention!

Now, speaking of the comet, what about repainting it in a nice black-and-white police-style look? Maybe with a flashing blue light?

Can we expect to see a change to the Cruor as well?

I don't have any hard evidence to support the following claim, but in my life, I have seen all faction frigates a lot - except the Cruor. It's the one frigate that when you see makes me really think "what is this ship - is this some weird rare AT tournament price" every time I see it.

Looks like a solid set of changes to me, I like the fact it is also going to be 10 slot and not 11, and has the hp bonus, enough to make it better than t1 without enroaching too heavily on Asault Frigs.

Would be nice to see more than one Navy frig for each race though... No real reason beyond wooo new ships.

When are you going to start changing T2 cruisers, Faction cruisers?

How about T2 bc?

Ppl are also complaining about moon goo wich is currently broken how about that?

We've seen mainly frigate changes in the past. I have news for you.

We don't all fly frigs.

Also offgrid boosting a lot of ppl have been complaining about that too or is it too hard?

EDIT: How about pirate frigates if u like frigs that much? Worm, Succubus, Cruor?

Hookbill still has way more effective weapons, for some reason, and is the most able to abuse unbonused tracking disruptors. Don't pretend those utility highs are comparable.

I'm going to have to agree with smarn and sperg out here about links again. Doing anything other than fixing links is pretty bad. If you guys are unable to make them on-grid and give them a range limit, at least cut their effectiveness down to half or a third or something - that should be simple enough, and something you'd be doing as part of fixing them anyway. It would make pvp so much less bad for so little effort.