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[Odyssey] Faction Navy Frigates

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Ariada Valentine
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-03-11 21:46:56 UTC
Kaal Redrum wrote:
I think CCP should use this opportunity to Rehaul the Firetail and further the alternate Matari doctrine of launcher hulls

You made the Cyclone fresh, do the same with the Firetail
..........
Use this chance - keep up the great rebalance effort - and make the Firetail a fun rocket-LML boat


No, none of this. You leave my auto-cannons alone. I hope you feel terrible for even suggesting such blasphemy against the rust.
Lili Lu
#62 - 2013-03-11 21:56:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Tsai Ashitaka wrote:
Capqu wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Why does the Hookbill get essentially 3 bonuses?

"Caldari Frigate bonuses: +20% to Kinetic missile damage, +10% to EM, Explosive and Thermal missile damage and +10% to missile velocity per level"

Every other ship in this class clearly only gets two bonuses. Is there really any reason to give the ship the bonus for other damage types? Or if somehow you think the current state of affairs where the Hookbill is the best should be preserved, and somehow it deserves 3 bonuses, how about shaving that 10% range bonus to 7.5 or 5?

Another disappointment Fozzie. Take another week to think about this stuff before posting it all. None of this appears to be balancing things off of the already skewed state of affairs.


you're pretty dumb if you think two mutually exclusive bonuses counts as it getting an extra bonus



Indeed. It's like saying "+10% to shield extender effectiveness, +10% to armor plate effectiveness".

Unless Lili intends to rainbow fit her launchers. More power to her, I guess.

You're pretty dim if you think that the bonuses on hybrids and lasers allow for alternate damage bonuses as well. Ok let's have a 20% laser damage bonus, a 10% explosive magic charge bonus, and oh of course a 10% capacitor use reduction bonus Amarr ship.Lol

As for Caldari, nothing wrong with being good at something, i.e. ranged combat. There are problems when others can't compete at that tactic. Or when the current state of modules and weapons don't force fitting tradeoffs for all types.

BTW - Lili has all the missile specs at 4, Caldari tech II ships, Large Hybrid specs at 4. She has all the races' tech II ships and their weapons. Going on 7 years and 120mil sp in the game, and eschewing supercaps, will do that. And while I haven't been using her for pvp for while now, I have other characters that collectively can fly all the races and weapons. So yeah I really want Caldari to go into the toilet. No. I really want there to be some meaningful balance. Tell me that of all those frigs in the OP the Hookbill isn't prefered. Hey Fozzie, do you have some usage statistics like you did for tier 2 BCs? I'm betting it's currently Hookbill -> Slicer -> the other two. Straight

edit - and i'm tired of caldari centric players whining about their ships, when the usage statistics suggest the opposite relative worth of them.
Saul Hyperion
Palmetto Galactic
#63 - 2013-03-11 22:08:27 UTC
Any chance of getting the old Comet skin back? The new one is a travesty compared to the old blingy police car.
Elho Prime
Air America YO
#64 - 2013-03-11 22:26:27 UTC
Hookbill Needs to loose the 5th Med slot, way to OP with speed and EWAR capabilites that no other frig can match/counter.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#65 - 2013-03-11 22:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
Post deleted due to error reading ship stats. Apologies, please ignore.

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Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#66 - 2013-03-11 23:08:15 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Tell me that of all those frigs in the OP the Hookbill isn't prefered. Hey Fozzie, do you have some usage statistics like you did for tier 2 BCs? I'm betting it's currently Hookbill -> Slicer -> the other two. Straight

edit - and i'm tired of caldari centric players whining about their ships, when the usage statistics suggest the opposite relative worth of them.


Well, let me tell you that in FW (where faction frigates matter), the Hookbill is actually the one of the bunch I see the least.

The faction frigs I mostly encounter atm are:

Slicer > Comet > Firetail > Hookbill

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - Paladin's Creed

Mammal Tafren
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#67 - 2013-03-11 23:09:28 UTC
i don't care if or how you buff the Comet, but give us back our cop car. Space Camo is lame and I want my blue light back.
Lili Lu
#68 - 2013-03-11 23:11:58 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Tell me that of all those frigs in the OP the Hookbill isn't prefered. Hey Fozzie, do you have some usage statistics like you did for tier 2 BCs? I'm betting it's currently Hookbill -> Slicer -> the other two. Straight

edit - and i'm tired of caldari centric players whining about their ships, when the usage statistics suggest the opposite relative worth of them.


Well, let me tell you that in FW (where faction frigates matter), the Hookbill is actually the one of the bunch I see the least.

The faction frigs I mostly encounter atm are:

Slicer > Comet > Firetail > Hookbill


I am in FW, though not on Lili. Blink

Anyway, it could be our subjective filtering with our perceptions. Or, it might be a difference between the amarr/minmatar v the gallente/caldari theatres. But either way, that is why I asked Fozzie for the usage stats. Blink
X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#69 - 2013-03-11 23:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
IMO, Hookbill > Comet ~ Slicer > Firetail. Hookbill needed small nerf and didn't receive it (maybe mass will affect it more than I think). Firetail needed buff and got it. Slicer is tough call since it is so adversely affected by td's. Otherwise it's a great ship.

So overall Fozzie is on the right track with these ships.

Edit: This thread would be "win" if included bringing back the old comet paint scheme!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#70 - 2013-03-11 23:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

Would have to do some serious soul searching though, find that nugget that epitomizes each of the four races, something that can ideally be applied to all of a races navy hulls.
+5% effectiveness for all faction navy modules and drones. Done Big smile
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#71 - 2013-03-11 23:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Neugeniko
CCP Fozzie,

My attempt at getting the Firetail to be more AF like.
Would something like the following be too OP? Requires 154 base
CPU, 152 Base would be enough for a version with gimpier tackle/MSE.
Trying to use that utility high.


fitting name="Republic Fleet Firetail"
hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Small Core Defense Field Extender I"
hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Small Core Defense Field Extender I"
hardware slot="rig slot 2" type="Small Core Defense Field Extender I"
hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Internal Force Field Array I"
hardware slot="low slot 1" type="Gyrostabilizer II"
hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Gyrostabilizer II"
hardware slot="med slot 0" type="Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I"
hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I"
hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I"
hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction"
hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="150mm Light AutoCannon II"
hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="150mm Light AutoCannon II"
hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I"


Neug
Voyan Ageri
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-03-11 23:57:56 UTC
Saul Hyperion wrote:
Any chance of getting the old Comet skin back? The new one is a travesty compared to the old blingy police car.


This is all I want.
Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-03-12 00:28:46 UTC
i really dont think the firetail should be getting the extra 5% damage per level. the only ship that had the 25% was the slicer and that was designed to kite, not brawl. and it cant brawl effectively because the slicer does not have that dreaded 3rd amarr mid slot.

also the slicer should receive some more love, with the amount of loki linked frigates in this game, the slicer is not as popular anymore because their webs can grab them in the slicers own gun range. and as i said before the slicer is not made to brawl



also the whole amarr t1 frigate line needs reworking, every other race in the game mixes damage missiles/hybrids hybrids/drones projectiles/missiles amarr is the only race where all of there t1 combat frigates are using lasers. making it an easy fit a td and win against amarr. they really need a (in line with rp stuff) a rocket/drone based t1 frigate. MAYBE the slicer would be the lauded rocket frigate who knows.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#74 - 2013-03-12 01:00:18 UTC
I know two people going to FanFest.

Say blue light on the Comet , i'll buy you a beer.

Say flashing red light, 2 beers.

Full rack of red lights with POLICE INTERCEPTOR on the wing i'll send a bottle of JD or your choice.
Jysella Halcyon
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-03-12 01:48:12 UTC
The important question that is really on everyone's minds right now is simple: is the Police Comet going to make a comeback? Traffic stops are emergent content!
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#76 - 2013-03-12 01:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Im surprised the comet isnt getting more bandwidth, considering the number of t1 frigs/destroyers with full flights of light drones
Alyssa Haginen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-03-12 02:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Haginen
Please make the slicer go a little faster. 355m/s or even 360m/s base would fit its role much better. Most people fit a MW kiting fit if they don't fit an afterburner brawling fit. Even a five or ten m/s difference would make a huge difference for a kiting slicer. Change the Hookbill bonus to 20% for all damage types. Buff the PG by one or two on the Comet and the Hookbill.




...............Navy's use camouflage because if they used big flashy lights that just wouldn't work out that well.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#78 - 2013-03-12 02:53:35 UTC
Quote:
Please make the slicer go a little faster. 355m/s or even 360m/s base would fit its role much better. Most people fit a MW kiting fit if they don't fit an afterburner brawling fit. Even a five or ten m/s difference would make a huge difference for a kiting slicer.

If your slicer is having speed issues, the problem is most likely with your fit. It's already one of the fastest ships in the game.

Quote:
Change the Hookbill bonus to 20% for all damage types.

Are you mad?

Right, so the hookbill will still rule the roost after these changes. I think the firetail damage increase is not quite enough. It's still going to compared quite unfavorably with the Comet and Hookbill for close range performance. What about dropping the launcher slot and giving it a third turret hardpoint (33% damage buff instead of 25%). Or, if you don't want to increase the dps that much, a mild boost to speed and sig radius would not go amiss. The slicer is still going to get hosed by anything with a TD, but that's a feature of all turret kiters, so I'm not sure what to do about that. I will say that slicers have gotten a lot less scary since the introduction of t1 frigates that can fit full tackle and a tracking disruptor.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#79 - 2013-03-12 03:07:42 UTC
Balancing a bunch of ships that I didn't even know existed... Well maybe I've seen a couple about, but I thought that they were either Tournament Prizes or Special Ships from before I Started in 2007. I haven't seen any of these in space for over a month at least.
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#80 - 2013-03-12 03:18:32 UTC
Caldari 5 wrote:
Balancing a bunch of ships that I didn't even know existed... Well maybe I've seen a couple about, but I thought that they were either Tournament Prizes or Special Ships from before I Started in 2007. I haven't seen any of these in space for over a month at least.


Come to one of the faction warzones.

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