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Actually, they only made larger blobs possible, nothing more. Give it a month or 2 and dilation will be lagged out too. In the short term it patches the symptom - in the long term it does nothing for the cause. Besides, who wants to spend 10 hours in a fight that should have taken 1 (because of dilation)??? - THIS IS NOT FUN (OR REASONABLE) FOR ANYONE... (*cough* except the alliance leaders drooling over the moon goo for their pockets)

Every single time CCP has made progress with lag, the blobs just get bigger - IT FIXES NOTHING!

Time dilation would be a great fallback however if it was only needed in emergencies; not every single battle in null like it will be with the current blob mentality.




Yes they can, they just fear the (current blob) alliance leaders causing more bad media attention over it for their own gain. Massive coaltions are not in the interest of the general players. I for one would be the first one posting replies to bad press caused by arrogant leaders over their loss of goo.

EVE should be about ALL PLAYERS, not just alliance leaders lining their pockets.




I agree, in smaller scale battles SC's are fine. Unfortunately, CCP has allowed the game to get out of control by not imposing limitations.

Now, if CCP added reasonable limitations on alliance sizes and NAPing (through isk cost, or through a max limit on alliance system sov that is lowerred even more by each extra blue standing), EVE would be more fun for the grunts. Alliances shouldn't need whole regions(+) if the under-lying system is fixed.

The simple truth is that CCP have had their money out of the long term players. People that have been arond a very long time have skills and assets that currently make it very easy for them to wipe the floow with the masses of potential new players.
Lots of new players will potentialy bring in several times more real money than the long term players that might leave.

It's all about the money baby, CCP dont give a damn about you if you've been playing for 5+ years they consider you a likely adict that will never leave so are confident in the fact that when they shaft you the vast majority will just go buy some lube and come back for more.

So any news on the Minmatar capital reballancing?

TiDi is going to give the servers something to work with. Since currently the game cannot handle massive fleet fights that bring in more players due to the videos and testmonies that such things bring. The current tech level of servers cannot handle EvE, plain and simple, they cry whenever there is a fleet fight. So CCP got a little smart and made a way for them to handle such massive fights, now with lag being something on the low down with TiDi they can work on making more stuff for us. The more cooler stuff we get to fly and play with means we will spread the word about eve.





Again that is LIMITING PLAYER INTERACTION. Limiting NAPing ect is limiting player interaction and that is something you CANNOT DO! If you want to limit how players talk to each-other or how they make friends then you just mind as well make it a single player game. Even if you did find a way to limit it, the players would find a way AROUND it, this is EVE and Player Interaction is what RUNS THIS GAME!

If you didn't nerf Super Caps or instead limited there drone bay the super cap blob would resolve itself. Coalitions do not stay together forever, they do eventually break up and fights break out and supers die. Only until the super cap fleets are made up of ONE alliance and not 4 or 5 that you MIGHT have an issue, and the only group that can do that alone is PL.



In fact CCP should assist player interactions by allowing alliances to make coalitions that the game would recognize. This is something people have already done, now its CCP's time to catch up. Just like how an alliance is made, allow alliances to make coalitions. Benefits of this would be, allowing the use of coalition cyno beacons, the option to have a single coalition sov bill and the eve map would show said coalition instead of the fragmented blocks you see now. There are a ton of benefits that doing this could bring, and the ones I just put out there are a few that could be added.

I'd like to point out the massive imbalance in this "balance".

CCP Tallest, so the idea of this balance is to eliminate or limit supercapital domination in large fleet fights? Right? I.E. Large fleets of Titans won't be able to just Doomsday tacklers and Large fleets of Supercarriers won't be able to deploy vast amounts of sentry drones against subcapital fleets. Though Titans will still be tracking battleships and battlecruisers with capital class guns. And Supercarriers who are being given a "kill capitals and structures role" wont be able to kill POS's.


Okay so lets fast forward to after the winter expansion with the changes. Our first supercapital engagement of the expansion! How exciting!

The setup for the fight, CCP's employer, Goonswarm, have 30 dreads sieging a structure in 0.0 supported by a 500 man subcapital gang waiting to bridge in if needed. Pandemic Legion sees an opportunity to gank 30 dreads. So they form, lets say, 20 titans and 35 supercarriers with a small support gang of tacklers.

It begins, Pandemic Legion cyno up, 20 dreads instantly die to Titan Doomsdays (good thing they got siege timer buffed). The other 10 die pretty quick to Titan guns and fighter bomber damage. So now Goons counter! This has been what they have been waiting for! The big push for the patch! The NERF! Now they will show EVE whats up with subcapitals ganking supercapitals. So Goonswarm cyno up, 500 Hurricans, Maelstroms and tacklers come pouring through screaming "Boys we've got'em now!" So Pandemic Legion's supercapitals bunker down for the fight. Supercarriers start remote repairing and generating an unbreakable energy transfer. Since effective remote repairing is based on high resistance the 20% hit point reduction doesn't have any real effect here. Titans not being able to Doomsday tacklers is going to be a problem, but they will just fit of each other and change out to medium sized guns and murder the dictors and hics tackling the fleet. Supercarriers will fit off each other and change out fightbombers for fighters from their corporate hangers.

And so the fight will go on until Goonswarm retreats after loosing enough Hurricanes, Maelstroms and all their tacklers.


So now CCP Tallest, I ask you, will the patch accomplish it's objective? Or do all the changes you are making not really effect Large fleet fights but drastically effect individual supercapitals or a small gang of supercapitals?

Lets review:

* Siege timer buff was a useless buff in the example provided above, however it is a useful buff but dreads need more attention by far.

* Titan tracking has still not been addressed, even though if players had to vote about "What is the most annoying broken thing regarding supercapitals" that would be the top pick by far, but hey lets nerf everything else.

* The HP reduction was ineffective in large scale fights because supercapital remote repair tanking is based on high resistance, not hitpoints. However this does drastically effect a solo supercapital or small gang of supercapitals.

* The removal of regular drones from supercapitals doesn't really effect large scale fights that much where as it completely debilitates a solo supercapital or small gang of supercapitals.


So the way I'm reading the patch is, if I want to use my supercapital and have it be effective I have to be in a large alliance who is able to field Large fleets of Titans and Supercarriers.


Also I just wanted to get some definitions clear for you CCP Tallest.

Balance : Verb form - (1) to arrange so that one set of elements exactly equals another (2) to equal or equalize in weight, number, or proportion (3) to weigh in or as if in a balance (4) to bring to a state or position of equipoise (5) to poise in or as if in balance (6) to bring into harmony or proportion.

Imbalance : Noun - the state or condition of lacking balance, as in proportion or distribution.

Debilitate : Verb form - to make weak or feeble; enfeeble:

Unbalance : Verb form - to throw or put out of balance.

Ineffective : Adjective - (1) not effective; not producing results; ineffectual: ineffective efforts; ineffective remedies (2) inefficient or incompetent; incapable: an ineffective manager.

I'm disappointed.

This thread is spluttering to a halt and we've barely reached half the length of the trail of tears we got when the nano-nerf was announced. Guess that in the end most players are happy with this rebalance after all.

Good work CCP!

ccp wanted to show they care about the eve player and eve but as you said no word from ccp in the last 100 pages just shows us how committed they are about eve players and our feedback on this subject.

The nurf will kill off a lot of older eve players not because supers are useless its because eve is being tailored to new toon over that of the older eve player with no benefits in anyway to us who have played the game for years, give us something back if you want some subjects then i will list some.


Fix the med clones
Having to pay over 50mil just to update my clone is a sick joke

Better content for advanced players
Advanced tier ship which take a long time to skill but can be useful and fun (not just caps but sub cap hulls)
more content aimed at older players to get back in to the game.

we have to suffer under the weight of yet more nurfs, we as the older players are being treated as the unwanted party guest that hangs around.
with some of the players still playing the game its been since 03 its been a long time.

also not a super pilot at the moment not a rage or a whine post about the nurf
but it needs working on and i believe that caps need to have some defense against sub caps not on the level super have now but a limited drone bay as i suggested in some other thread.

also let super carriers dock

If you think the tears are flowing now, just imagine if CCP had said "Attn all titan pilots: your ship is now a mobile POS instead of a combat vessel! Enjoy!".

Well i dont fly capitals so i wont presume to comment on how they should and shouldnt be changed,

I will say that i REALLY dont think the Moros should lose its drone bay!! Its totally out of character for a gallente ship and the Moros is supposed to be one of the caps that is capable of defending itself against smaller ships!! It would also give the Moros a bit of a boost as they will be considered essential for any cap fleets because they can field drones!!

Thats my 2 cents

Keep the drone bay on the Moros!!

Also I would like to say that all i ever see is people bitching in these "feedback" threads, if all of you hate ccp so much why do you play? i think they have done more than enough lately and they are trying to win back the respect of the community, even going so far as to write a "We F**cked Up" letter for everyone to read!! How many games companies would do that?!!!

So instead of moaning and complaining maybe some of you should cut them some slack and actually try and contribute to these threads instead of just flaming ccp all the time!!

Dude its 2am in Iceland, maybe just MAYBE they have gone to bed?!! I mean they do work a 9-5 job