Ships & Modules

Machariel has bad damage projection. Say that to the frigs getting instapopped by a machariel sitting 249 from a gate.

Sansha SHOULD NOT BE kiting ships. Think of their roles, angels are notorious for their speed and mobility. Sansha are shield tanked combat ships. What SHOULD happen is a buff to sansha tank strengths and buff their cap. Give em more EHP, and maybe some more fitting. DO NOT Give sansha vaga/cyna-esque role, that would be ********, it would be HIGHLY redundant with the only difference being the color of your ammo.

Cynabal should probably lose some fitting (it's capacitor sucks so w/e) and probably some EHP. The ship is harder to train for and to fly than a vaga because mistakes in a cynabal are much more punitive.

Machariel, idk. I don't see them often as anything but incursion/mission runners.

That's just ********, it's like saying Vindicator should have its speed and agility restored back to Megathrone's level and retain just webs or unique damage bonus. Atm Nightmare is so pathetically slow that even Golem runs 100-200 m/s faster. No one is asking NM to compete with Machariel in speed department, but just reasonably buffing its poor mobility would really help.

Why increase EHP yet again when pirate ships are already utterly overtanked and receive like +50% EHP over tech1 prototypes? Not everyone enjoys that combat style and the game has got enough of these ubertanking options anyway.

Here's a simple but highly efficient idea: Add another turret to the Phantasm.

It may not be fast, it may not be tough, it may not have a lot of capacitor, but boy, does it melt your face.

You bring up a good point, devs have already recognized the absurd power of boosting in general, and yet still refuse to do anything about it until some unspecified date in the future. Which honestly makes little sense. If you recognize an aspect of the game that sticks out as being detractory to the game balance, shouldn't you wield the hammer right away?

First of all i love the fact that CCP sees things right way this time.

I will say what i think about mentioned ships:

Blood Raiders :
1. Cruor - seriously ship is cool and all but how i'm supposed to neut/shoot unbonused for cap usage lasers/scram and web (it's bonused for it after all) without being able to fit cap booster ? Solution i suggest is ... to move either one high or low to mid. Really i hate to say but 2 utility highs on frigate level is cool idea but in this case it does not work. Many may disagree but read again what i said. It NEEDS CAP BOOSTER. And since it's bonused to web - it must somehow fit web too. So prop mod + point + web + booster on this ship must be somehow possible. One utility high ... will do just make it not 75% but 125% or something like that bonused.

2. Ashimmu - great ship - looks simply awesome. But as mentioned it does many things but nothing really good enough ? I suggest one utility high moved too to either low or mid - preferably mid. But low will do too. 2 bonused neuts will still do the trick. If it will move to mid we can have 2 boosters or 2 webs - so it will be nice now. If moved to low - it can be more tanky.
10/10 drone bandwitch/bay ? Please ... 25/25 or even better. I wouldn't suggest that much but other meant to be worse T1 cruisers got huge 40/40 or even 50/50 drone treatment.

3. Bhaal - good as it is now i guess.

Sansha Nation:

1. Succubus - this ship ... is total fail all way. Needs to reworked. I mean 2 utility highs ? Really ? That sucks big time. There is no bonus to neuts/vamp on this ship. It's ok blood raider ships get utlity highs but this one needs those to be ... yeah completly gone. Go for 2 high/5mid/3 low - now it will be beast. It will be able to field huge tank and huge gank. And won't be cap starved. And fix damn speed it's slower than few cruisers ;o. Maybe add drone ;o or two !

2. Phantasm - first of all speed. Second of all speed. And again speed. It's as fast as damn Machariel in base speed value ... and before Machariel can fit more lows for nanos etc . But not going to compare it to battleship atm. Ship once again with
2 utility highs ? You really expect it to use cap for neuts when it struggles to shoot it guns and run it's tank ? I hope not. Tho on cruiser level i suggest you leave one utility high. Move extra one to either mid or low. For either more tank/cap boosters or low for more gank. 15 bandwitch / 15 bay is lol atm . With cruiser wide buff to drone bays/bandwitch (most notably omen 40/40) i suggest phantasm gets at least 25/50 and would strongly suggest even 50/50.

3. Nightmare - it was said it's ok but ... It's struggling with cap problems and once again having more utlity highs than it really needs. Keep one. But on this one ima hesitate. Seriously getting 8th mid can ... make it overpowered with mid+ low = 14 ... it would be sick. So not sure there. Maybe it's fine ;o. Actually dunno i hope others can say more about it.

Guristas :
1. Worm - give it standard bay of 50 . And some drone bonus maybe just health and tracking like tristan? Instead of extra bay of course. Or make it more missile based ? Like bandwitch 35-40 and dunno bonus to missile damage ?

2. Gila - seriously there is no missile based pirate faction ships. Guristas ships are drones. This should change a bit. I suggest you do reduce bay/bandwitch of this . No need to have dominix bay/bw . Keep 75 or 100 bandwitch. But change bonus on missiles to some damage/RoF and ... if you reduce bandwitch as you should - then add launcher.

3. Rattlesnake - Change bonus to missile velocity to damage or RoF. Can't say more i don't fly it - just suggestion.

Serpentis:
1. Daredevil - can't say much - i think it deals a bit too much damage. I know it is supposed to deal a lot but ... maybe 150% instead of 200% ? It would still deal most of all.

2. Vigilant - i think mostly fine. If i would have to vote nerf or buff i would say neither , but when forced to choose i would say nerf. Tho i thinks it's ok.

3. Vindicator - as vigilant.

Angel Cartel :
1. Dramiel - ok jokes aside - needs to be fastest faction ship but it's over top atm. It takes spots of interceptors and is better in other aspects. It cannot be clear winner in all aspects. Dunno what to do exactly, but that is my oppinion about this ship.

2. Cynabal - nerf hard - first of all bay bandwitch to 25/25. I wouldn't hit speed that much honestly - it's supposed to be fast right ? But hit it on EHP - so it's better fast or it dies fast - something that is not working atm.

3. Machariel - i'm not gonna comment too much there lack knowledge about battleship tier mostly. But my impression is that is superior to other battleships and fast some cruiser ( Phantasm T_T). I know battleship should be tanky , deals punch etc. But now it's also really fast on top of that. Something is wrong for sure.

I may edit some stuff later - if i will want to add something. I comment mostly on frig/cruiser , because honestly not much idea about battleships and all are good i guess, except for mach - too good obviously.

Yup good that i can edit ! Added some stuff to Phantasm/Ashimmu

I'm just extracting the Phantasm bits - the thread is about the Phantasm.

I love the look of the ship - flew one quite a bit, trying to make it viable for at least PvE before trying it in PvP.

It sucks.

The above quoted comments pretty much sum it up. It needs cap BADLY, even with empty utility highs, it's very slow for a shield tanker, and the drone bay is laughable.

How is nightmare "Very Good" and Bhaalgorn just "Nice"

Besides PVE, the Bhaal is such an important and infinitely useful ship.

Whens the last time you've seen a nightmare PvP even?

I would agree with you, but it's more the fact that it's a Tornado with more tank, damage, and projection, as well as a (relatively) large drone bay. It's slower and less agile, but still more like a BC than a BS.

Also, the Minnie BS lineup isn't that bad. It's not great, but acceptable.

@Ytterbium

Concerning the Sanshas;

Mate may I suggest a complete reversal from the Laser/Shield platform?

Those of us who were around at that time, and even more so, those of us who were invested into RPing and making an art out of flying Sansha ships, were dumbfounded that someone decided them to be Shield tanking Laser boats..

The lore clearly states that sanshas extravagant hull design was due to advanced ablative armor tanking properties, his mad genius created alien hulls that didnt just look different, but had a purpose, namely making them really tough.

So, why then are we forced to use SHIELDS?! More tot he point, back then everyone was counting on armor tanking missile boats, because int he end THAT is what is missing in EVE.

How about revamping sansha vessels into active tanking, light weight, missile boats?

-low EHP
-low/medium dps
-medium cap
-low pg

-fast and agile
-7.5% armor resistance bonus per level
-7.5% Armor repper bonus
-some missile dps bonus of any kind, EM dmg if you want

That way youd have weird looking ships that have a purpose, arent overpowered and fill a truly unoccupied niche.