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Well I've read all the posts......

So whats next?

Going to sell all my stuff to pay for Gantrys and POCO's first ( hope they don't get blown up or I'll be screwed )

Then going to the recruitment chan to find around 30-40 seasoned PVP'ers to help me defend my new POCO's from the big alliance that has it's HQ in the 0.0 system i do PI in.

I'm sure this is the best plan, only other thing i can think of is to stop doing PI!

mon, it is a game, and the isk has to sink in vacuum to make it all turn smoothly... On the other hand - do you think you know where YOUR reallife taxes gone? ha-ha-ha.

But seriously. Will you (I mean CCP) add import option to the command centers? Or my lil smart factory shall close imminent?

The issue would be that CCP lags a lot when it comes to updating those mineral price indexes. As I understand it, it is not automatic, so it only gets updated every few months. They would need to commit to updating the price index of all PI goods much more frequently (weekly or monthly). Plus, I'm not sure they would do so since PI goods aren't used to commit insurance fraud (which is why mineral prices used to calculate insurance finally got adjusted).

Anyone know when the last time that CCP updated the mineral prices used to determined insurance? I suspect it only happens when they update the central tables and distributed new data tables to the clients?

(And +1 for another source showing that existing P1/P2 tariffs are too low and P4 is currently too high.)

I would agree, but hopefully we can get confirmation from Team Pi that Upgraded PCO's are not unanchorable?

In my opinion, CCP views hi sec as the solution; meaning, PI will continue with PI Operators simply importing for final assembly to a hi sec NPC-CO.

Yes prices will go up, I know I'm not going to eat the increased tariff fees; but PI will none the less continue.

This then makes activity in low sec voluntary and consensual. And while I still believe low sec should have hybridized PCO's, one can only presume from CCP's stand point that they aren't forcing anyone into making imports to low sec planets - that it is player choice.

For myself, I planned ahead with DUST 514 in mind, and intentionally set up my planets in low sec to only be P2 exporters; with no imports in low sec. Therefore, I will only be effected by the increased tariffs. However I am betting that metrics will show that out of low sec PI Operators, a large majority conduct P3 and especially P4 production in hi sec near their low sec export planets.

So, as CCP Omen has clearly stated in this thread, this is a political tool and intended to create greater player interaction -

But in addition to laying preparations for DUST 514, I am beginning to also wonder whether or not this is also an effort to consolidate PI colonies, so they are not as diffused in New Eden? (But it's only a thought on my part)

In the end, I hope that our constructive feedback will help shape the feature in such a way that it will be tolerable and prevent PI Operators from giving up on their PI colonies...

The discussion about a tax based on a fixed tariff figure vs a tax in some way based on changing PI prices gave me another idea.

Instead of a percentage, that affects all imports and exports equally, why not be able to set a ISK tax on the item itself?

So instead of configuring a percentage, you configure a ISK amount. You want to export a P1 item, it's 10 ISK per unit. A P2 item is 50 ISK per unit. I'm just picking numbers out of the air, there is no analysis backing them up at this point.

I don't know if the mentioned insurance rates adjust automatically or if CCP has to do something to adjust them, but I can easily see where that task would get neglected. Having players entirely responsible for the taxes makes sense to me,rather than having CCP figure out a number that doesn't get changed until it's obvious there is a huge problem with it.

I'm thinking of 1 of 2 possible methods of tax configuration. You set a tax rate for import/export of each level of PI product as a whole. So all P0 goods are taxed at X ISK per unit, all P1 are taxed at X ISK per unit, etc.

The other possibility is that you can set a tax rate per good individually. Toxic metals and industrial fibers are both P1 goods. Perhaps my null space corp/alliance is using the toxic metals to fuel POS's, and industrial fibers have no use for fueling a POS. So why would I not tax toxic metals at 1000 ISK per unit and discourage ninja PI of toxic metals saving those resources for my corps use, but set industrial fiber at 10 ISK per unit to get profit from a good that I have no use for?

Going a bit further, it might make sense that I only allow corp/alliance to use the PCO for toxic metals, locking others out, but I do allow the use of the PCO for other goods. So as a PI person, I could not use your POS to export toxic metals, but I could for industrial fibers.

I don't think it has been asked or answered, can we set import taxes and export taxes to be different amounts? Is there a reason why would could not? The blog only shows 1 tax rate to be entered. It might make low resource planets more attractive to put up a PCO at. There isn't enough resources to make a decent profit with a PCO based on exports from resources on the planet alone, but with my low import taxes and reasonable export taxes, feel free to use my planet for manufacturing higher level goods.

I have Rocket Science V

We are talking about launching things from a command center into space. So yes, rocket science V would be good. :)

Nothing, TBH.



You can't have it both ways. Once the Concord one goes, it should be gone for good.

If the existing COs in low/null/W are left in place, with low tariff rates, there will be no incentive to put up new ones.

SovNull/W space COs should definitely go away - there's not supposed to be NPC infrastructure in those systems.

Lo-sec COs (and NPC null) could stay, but only if they charge the full 100% tariff on everything (including launches). Which would provide financial incentive for someone to come in, put up a POCO and charge less.

So CCP do you intend to reimburse all the corps who live and have a POS in WH space when you realise too late that they should have been able to deploy defences to protect them. If you like to have a natural balance in EVE the structures in WH need to be governed by different parameters.
POINT 1. there is usually only one corp in a WH they are not going to be able to tax anyone except themselves,(so where is their revenue).

POINT 2. unlike anywhere else in EVE where gangs/fleets can very very quickly and easily be formed to defend a structure. The random access mechanics WH makes, defending them unrealistic. (yes I know if it is attacked you can spend, oh say an hour scanning a way out in order that your team of defenders can fly back in, WOW! all, whilst your POCO's is being attacked, then if you are very, very lucky, you might just save it.

POINT 3. If these BPC’s are only available via DED/Concord stores have you thought about those who can’t access them thus leaving corp POS’s unable to obtain the items to function. At least give them a fighting chance and seed them at most stations in EVE even if they cost a bit more there.
I doubt any one minds them being destructible however they MUST have at least minimum auto defences. in WH space the corp numbers just are not the same as in Low/Null and High sec.

Please stop this application of two dimensional thought ( NULL SEC vs EMPIRE) you created WH space with parameters differing from those two so please THINK and realise the POCO's need to be different from both of them.

Dont get me wrong the concept is great, it's just, well not really thought out fully. this is potentially a global, sorry universal POS wrecker that no fleet of dreadnaughts ever achieved.