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Sylindra Lightbane
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-14 12:43:11 UTC
Had something happen to me yesterday and was just curious how the rest of the community feels. I applied for a corp that requested full API access, but I was blocked by the recruiter because I refused to give it. Now, I have nothing to hide, but, like in real life, I dont let anyone know how much money I have in my bank account. That was the only thing I refused to show, have no problems with anyone seeing what I buy or where my money goes, just nothing in my wallet. If the recruiter would have responded as to why seeing my wallet is essential to me being recruited I probably would have allowed it but due to him just blocking me, I am left in the dark. So, Guess my question is why was that a deal breaker and what does looking at the wallet show that the transactions tab doesnt.
Whitehound
#2 - 2013-02-14 12:46:21 UTC
Having API info on a player can be helpful. Some corporations demand it. It is then a matter of attitude and some recruiters do not give a damn if they do not get all they want. Do not bother about it. You do not want to be with them and they do not care for having you.

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Sylindra Lightbane
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-02-14 12:51:57 UTC
Thanks, was kinda bothering me but mainly cause I felt like there was something crucial in there and that by not showing it I was raising red flags. Good to know that it was just their pet peave vs mine
Lady von Baroness
Mizara's Dollhouse
#4 - 2013-02-14 13:18:04 UTC
I think some of the reasons corps want API access is to see if you have a negative balance or not (checking to see if you've been caught for questionable activity in regards to botting) as well as to see if you are potentially being financed by an enemy of theirs, which would likely indicate you are a spy or have a very strong potential of being one.

Those are the two biggest I can think of, at least.

Another, if the corp is a wormhole corp, is to see what sort of activity you've had; any sort of high-volume item moves and sells could flag you as a potential corp thief; in a wormhole, a corp thief can cause an incredible amount of damage in a very short time.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#5 - 2013-02-14 13:27:20 UTC
Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
Had something happen to me yesterday and was just curious how the rest of the community feels. I applied for a corp that requested full API access, but I was blocked by the recruiter because I refused to give it. Now, I have nothing to hide, but, like in real life, I dont let anyone know how much money I have in my bank account. That was the only thing I refused to show, have no problems with anyone seeing what I buy or where my money goes, just nothing in my wallet. If the recruiter would have responded as to why seeing my wallet is essential to me being recruited I probably would have allowed it but due to him just blocking me, I am left in the dark. So, Guess my question is why was that a deal breaker and what does looking at the wallet show that the transactions tab doesnt.


Truly whining about it on the forums will solve your problem.

Any corp with anything worth stealing will take measures to protect its assets. Since corp theft is so prevalent in New Eden, full API is requested precisely so your wallet transactions and Eve-mail can be checked for suspicious transactions, bragging to others about previous acts of theft, etc. Also it helps show who is a real player and who is just using a new alt on an account. What it doesn't prevent is someone using a brand new account built specifically for the purpose of joining your corp.

You may not like that intrustion of your privacy. However certain players don't like having their capitals/supercapitals bounced out of POSes when they are AFK, either. Ask this guy.
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#6 - 2013-02-14 13:29:08 UTC
FYI he didn't whine, he asked a question..Unless asking is the new whine..
Whitehound
#7 - 2013-02-14 13:31:48 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Truly whining about it on the forums will solve your problem.

Irony spotted! Lol

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Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-14 13:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Matt Ellis
As much as we hate to give out that information, alot of corporations require it. As the CEO and Recruiter of INFEN, i can say that we do. And here's why.

To use a Wormhole Corp as an example(as someone else did). One of the main problems we face, is trust. We need to give shared access to live out of our POSs, so Corp Thieves are the main cripple of WH Corps. What they probably wanted to see the balance/transactions for, was to see if there were any extra-ordinary activity on there. This could include, but isnt limited to:

- Large Amounts of transactions circulating around a specific date. Maybe it was the day after you left your last corp...
- Regular payments from/to another pilot. Maybe an un-specified Alt?
- Negative balance.

Also, looking at the balance itself also gives you an idea of whether the recruit could be begging for cash to build a ship suitable for life in your corp. Corps don't like spongers, as the corp has to pay for upkeep itself if its small...

Hope that helps mate.

Fly Safe o/

Matt
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2013-02-14 14:08:12 UTC
Rana Ash wrote:
FYI he didn't whine, he asked a question..Unless asking is the new whine..


I guess I missed the question mark.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-14 14:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Ptraci wrote:
Rana Ash wrote:
FYI he didn't whine, he asked a question..Unless asking is the new whine..


I guess I missed the question mark.


Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
So, Guess my question is why was that a deal breaker and what does looking at the wallet show that the transactions tab doesnt.


It should have been at the end of that sentence.

That aside, it was pretty obvious from the use of the word question.

On the subject of the OP:
Regardless of what they asked for, you probably don't want to fly with these guys anyway, if they aren't willing to take 5 minutes to explain why they're asking for the information they want. Blocking you just smacks of juvenile behavior.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-14 14:17:21 UTC
o/ hi

Im a recruiter for my corp, and its quite simple. Its a flagging tool. If you suddenly received a trillion isk for no apparent reason we would ask about it, or look further into your history around that time.
Also if your wallet never reached past 1mill we would ask after it.

Theres nothing particularly clandestine about it, we cant touch your isk, and any self respecting corp isnt going to tell you what to do with it.

hope that helps

No Worries
Sylindra Lightbane
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-02-14 20:08:02 UTC
Sorry about missing the question mark, was typing on my phone while laying in bed. Considering I was half asleep I am surprised I made enough sense to get my point across lol! Like I mentioned, I gave access to all my transactions, they could see who was giving me money as well as who I was sending it to. Also had access to my assets so they could see that I haven.t stole from other corps. The negative wallet I would have considered a personal issue...not sure how that would affect them at all.

Always going to be someone that assumes a question is a whine. Expected that when I posted.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2013-02-14 20:17:58 UTC
If they are giving you this much **** before you are even recruited...why would you want to be associated with them at all?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#14 - 2013-02-14 20:21:40 UTC
Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
Had something happen to me yesterday and was just curious how the rest of the community feels. I applied for a corp that requested full API access, but I was blocked by the recruiter because I refused to give it.

If the Corp makes it a condition of employment, and you don't provide, what do you expect? Chocolates?

OTOH, if you don't wish to provide that info, don't. What are they going to do? Not hire you? Wait...
But seriously, if that corp does things in a way you don't like, it's best you be moving along anyway.

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Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-14 21:14:59 UTC
wallet is the most useful indicator for who a player is receiving and giving donations to. whether they are alts or associates.

you're denying a huge part of the application information, bud.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#16 - 2013-02-14 22:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
So, Guess my question is why was that a deal breaker and what does looking at the wallet show that the transactions tab doesnt.


Player Donations.

Like the ones that lead to this:
http://themittani.com/news/test-purges-aeon-alleged-ncdot-spy


Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
The negative wallet I would have considered a personal issue...not sure how that would affect them at all.


Having a botter/RMT buyer in corp is bad for business. Those are the primary reasons you might have a negative wallet.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#17 - 2013-02-15 01:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
As others here have mentioned seeing a persons wallet balance is a big deal, and not just for a WH corp.
As a recruiter i can tell you straight up that if you have a negative balance you would be turned down, and if you were a young player with an abnormal amount of ISK it would raise a lot of warning flags.

I can understand that it feels uncomfterbale giving away as much information as some corps will requiere from you, but you also have to keep in mind that corporations that have this high securety has it for a reason. Most likely they have been robbed, found out that someone that joined did something naughty, is an alt of someone who is looking to war dec/gain sensetive information about them and so on. The list is endless. So next time you run into this ask the recruiter(s) why they have such high securety and you will most likely not feel like they are.. going after you specifically because you gave some bad wibes.

If you are worried about who will get said information.. well this one is a bit harder to get around. You can ask said recruiter(s) who will see the information and weather or not it will be kept private. Ofc there is no way you can be sure that this is the case but i can tell you that for my self i do not give out information found via the API key, and our recruiters only give me information IF there is something they are insecure about (like very exspensive implants for a week old character) and i never save someones API key and let them know as soon as im done with it.

I wish you the best of luck finding a corp, and just keep in mind that whatever securety measures a corp has in place for recruiting, there is most likely a reason for it that has nothing to do with you, so dont take it personally Smile

Edit; Please note im a bit lost as to why the recruiter blocked you when you asked questions about this, i cant say i have ever heard about that happening before. But without knowing HOW you asked there is no way of knowing if he felt you just wouldent back off,or he was just trying to find a...belivable reason to reject you because "I just have a bad feeling" normally isent a reason recruits will understand or accept.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#18 - 2013-02-15 02:43:04 UTC
Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
Had something happen to me yesterday and was just curious how the rest of the community feels. I applied for a corp that requested full API access, but I was blocked by the recruiter because I refused to give it. Now, I have nothing to hide, but, like in real life, I dont let anyone know how much money I have in my bank account. That was the only thing I refused to show, have no problems with anyone seeing what I buy or where my money goes, just nothing in my wallet. If the recruiter would have responded as to why seeing my wallet is essential to me being recruited I probably would have allowed it but due to him just blocking me, I am left in the dark. So, Guess my question is why was that a deal breaker and what does looking at the wallet show that the transactions tab doesnt.

I've had people demand full API access to my mail and other such things. "To make sure you're not a spy" is their general excuse. Frankly, people who expect things like that are idiots and not worth your time. Find a corp that understands that competent spies know how to keep their APIs clean.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#19 - 2013-02-15 02:52:04 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Sylindra Lightbane wrote:
Had something happen to me yesterday and was just curious how the rest of the community feels. I applied for a corp that requested full API access, but I was blocked by the recruiter because I refused to give it. Now, I have nothing to hide, but, like in real life, I dont let anyone know how much money I have in my bank account. That was the only thing I refused to show, have no problems with anyone seeing what I buy or where my money goes, just nothing in my wallet. If the recruiter would have responded as to why seeing my wallet is essential to me being recruited I probably would have allowed it but due to him just blocking me, I am left in the dark. So, Guess my question is why was that a deal breaker and what does looking at the wallet show that the transactions tab doesnt.

I've had people demand full API access to my mail and other such things. "To make sure you're not a spy" is their general excuse. Frankly, people who expect things like that are idiots and not worth your time. Find a corp that understands that competent spies know how to keep their APIs clean.



Competent spies are the only spies that spy?

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2013-02-15 02:52:52 UTC
Also, let this thread serve as a list of mistakes not to make for prospective thieves and spies.

- Spend a little time running the NPE missions and maybe some epic arc stuff to build a legitimate history.
- Don't send your character isk. Instead, buy what is needed and transfer it in space so no logs are generated.
- If you steal items, also transfer those to another character in space.
- Don't mail your friends from your infiltrator character.

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