Live Events Discussion

Then you've been arguing against that position, since you were sniping at the goons replying here.

We're not complaining about the RP (as novice-level as it was provided here). Our complaint was all about the presentation and ability to affect the outcome. Eve has ALWAYS had destructible NPCs during its events. Hell, the Miner II BPO incident was a famous example of an "oops" moment with that.

"The players shape the course of the game, except when we don't want them to" ~ ISD AURORA, 2013

Picked one randomly, you can probably exchange that line for most of your post following Powers Sa's first post.

I agree partly with what you say there Falcon, but it does also break a bit the rules and thus the inmersion if those characters where invulnerable. They should have followed the usual rules for their specific shiptype as everyone else, they have the protection of players, plus CONCORD, plus random Minmatarr spawn navy that could have been fielded. But if someone does manage to pull that operation out against all those odds, he should have a chance to kill them.

But, I agree definitely on not all events being a matter of shooting, and agree as well with the importance of making an event out of it instead of only a news item. If I'd had been a Minmatarr, I'd love to have been there to escort them, but I would also have liked to have to make sure they get there alive, so my actions count. I remember having to escort an NPC in the events that led to FW, when the Defiants invaded Amarr, and all of us Amarrians having to organize the defense so the Minmatarr wouldn't kill him even if they outnumbered us as they did... and we pulled it out.

If you want to make an event of "debate" for example, or a speech in game, or something like that, maybe instead of placing them in ships in highsec they could have already been docked in Pator and leave it as a chat in local, for example, thus players wouldn't feel like they are doing nothing of importance, and you get a succesful event that focuses on the Rp and the discussion and such. Even, if announced this way, a lot of griefers and non-rpers might not have showed up and filled the chat with useless OOC smack talk (tried to read the logs and it was a pain!).

Then again, just my opinion. I've stated lots of time I love the work you guys are doing, and the Live Events team is one of the main reasons I am so happy to have returned to EVE, as their dissapearance was one of the reason I left it so many years ago. Just trying to bring some constructive criticism to improve the events for the future, if such a thing is possible.

It's a battleship. I would've expected around 500k ehp. I wasn't on the event so I didn't even bother planning for it, but I whipped something up in EFT anyway to see how ridiculous a tank would be possible using ingame items as that is what was probably planned for.

Tempest Tribal Issue, Dualtank (Pastebin of EFT Textblock)

598k EHP (not counting fleet boost/boosters). This is in the realm of being killable by a determined fleet but would be very hard to do. If a support fleet was present, they would have plenty of time to react and attack the aggressors or use logistics to repair the ship.

For reference, Freighters have around 170-200k EHP. Jump Freighters have around 320-360k EHP. A combat fit TFI has ~200k EHP


You know what would've made this ship impossible to kill? A support fleet. A decent amount of logistics ships, some ewar ships, some dps ships. In past events CCP have formed up a fleet of 30-50 ships, that's perfectly sufficient to defend a ship in highsec especially with the new aggression mechanics.

I'm not arguing that we should've been able to blow it up no matter what, but it would've been great to be able to even make a dent in the ships shields or engage in a battle with a determined defense fleet.

Having a single unescorted ship flying around that didn't even show signs of shield damage after being fired on by 25 ships is not a great player experience.

Here's what I expected to happen: TTI goes boom, delegate survives and is injured, or dies or what not, but the story continues by A: the delegate gets to an escape pod B: they get a new delegate and instead of flying in a TTI, they take a force recon ship, with a cloak to Pator instead of a shiny battleship. The story takes a minor detour, players get to affect it, but it turns out roughly the same.

Faction loot doesn't create new isk (the common definition of "injection") it just transfers it from one player to another.



Sorry. It's a pet peeve. Carry on!


e: Ephphatha and Seraphim are (more eloquently) making the sort of point I tried to make (very poorly) earlier on Twitter. Scriptedness is fine and to be expected at times, it just came off as hamfisted this time. Some people are just taking it more personally than others.

The issue with theorycrafting like this is that we're restricted to fitting stock T1 and T2 base meta level modules so that we don't inject massive amounts of ISK into the economy via the dropping of high end loot in the event that actors are killed. Even basic faction gear is off the table for this reason.

I do agree with your sentiment though, and you're putting a well balanced and reasonable argument that will be taken into account going forward

Forget it was Goonswarm.

What if it was a group actively signed up for Amarr faction warfare? They hear of these upjumped slaves having a meeting, seek to send a little message, careen through Minmatar space in force with the Republic Fleet on their heels, fly in to take their shot....


...and have precisely zero chance of killing the ship, because it's a battleship with devhaxed supercarrier level EHP. That is literally impossible to exist without GM mods and implants.


How, precisely, is that enabling player content? Just run your little events with polaris frigates next time. At least then the invulnerability will be telegraphed.