EVE General Discussion

Remove npc's from high sec, remove docking from stations belonging to factions you are at war with.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REMOVE ECM FROM CALDARI NPC'S

I guess I called it early, silence from Devs indicates FW "refresh" is removal of npc navies from high sec.

Lol.

Please can someone from CCP that still plays eve try FW and see for themselves - I am talking about the pvp/plexing, not just going "Awesome missions, FW is WIN"

PS: Yesterday was loads of fun Amarr, please keep it coming

With useing the incursion system.

Would this work say amarr system 100% to armour as the system became more contested this would lower and become more shield based.

these effects would effect say speed shield armour.

many differant ships needed all way threw make for a changing battlefield.

any more ideas on this.

I know some peeps only fly vega darkes etc but a good way to push out differant ships.

This would give faction standing some meaning after taking away the navies (great idea as I've stated before). It would also give another advantage to having good standing. Be allowed to shoot those with extremely bad standing
The docking thing, logical as it seems, breaks too much. If I'm flying for gallente/minmatar I can't dock at caldari stations? Comes back to the same problem as the current navies: I can not go to Jita without using an alt. The whole point of removing the navies would be to to allow for free movement, right? But this doesn't have to apply to low-sec (especially FW areas), after all that is an entirely different kind of region...

About the removal of the faction navies, I'm against anything that treats Hubs any different from other systems. Those currently have no special treatment in-game, they just happen to be used as hubs by player (and could at least in theory shift to different systems at any time). It should stay that way. If caldari FW members start camping Dodixie I'm sure the Gallente guys can muster up some kind of defense on their home turf? Would be pretty sad if they couldn't....

I'd also love to be able to join FW on a more or less day-by day basis without leaving my corp (because that is just not gonna happen). Eve is about diverse possibilities and not being limited in what you want to do. At least for me it is. If I'm in the mood for some pewpew I can join and do so (including hopefully revamped missions for the militia involving some sort of player-interaction) for a day or two. I'd say some commitment should be required, if I kill someone he probably wants so kill me right back. He should have that opportunity.
How about this, anyone can join FW as an individual without leaving his corp, but has to commit for at least 48 hours. He can cancel his "membership" at any time, but it takes 24 hours to be actually out (respecting the initial 48 of course). Also, this should be extended for any aggressive action. If he shoots a FW-Target during that time (i.e. engages in FW), the 24 hours reset. Only if he is the aggressor though, not it he gets shot and just shoots back. This should also extend to supporting other FW members in a logical way (cap/shield/armor transfer, tracking link, ...).


I think that is a bad idea, it fixes a symptom and not the problem itself. And it has a downside: rather new or just hesitant players might try FW via the NPC corps, getting fresh blood into FW is obviously one of the main objectives of any fixes! The NPC corp can be (and I would expect it to already be) a stepping stone for joining an FW player corp.
FW itself needs to be fixed in such a way that it can't be farmed without player-interaction/PVP (sure a mission objective can be achieved without PVP, but it should be the exception and not the norm). I agree that player corps are of course better for FW members in general and I do see the point of spotting spies. Also what's stopping them from creating corps to join FW just to spy? It might make things somewhat better, but it won't really fix anything.

Moving this over to the desired thread as per Spitfire's request.

Completely agreeing with Hans on this, who oddly enough has been a pretty clear voice for the FW community (despite the low numbers post on here). He is doing a great job at voicing well thought out opinions.

As for Wendi's last post, I just want to widdle this down to once again things that are doable and everyone can agree upon

1. Distribute plex spawn throughout the day. This should be easy to fix. I cannot see how using an existing mechanic to replace the current one should take any significant amount of resources. Everyone EVERYONE wants this (except maybe sasawong har har har)

2. Re-balance NPC's. Both missions and plexes. Once again, easy fix. Hell, give everyone missiles, it sure is one hell of a frig deterrent on the Gal/amarr side of things.

3. Pirate ships counting as T2 frigs as far as plexes go. Cmon, Pirate frigs are at the very least on par with T2, they shouldn't be in the minor plexes. On the same hand (which hasn't been emphasized), Pirate cruisers should also be restricted to majors for the same comparison with HAC's.

On a deadline, these should be EASY to accomplish. Although there are six things, maybe some of the others are too far reaching for the upcoming expansion (including meaningful sov, redistribution of LP rewards, and changing the act of plexing). Yes, we want these looked at, but personally I would rather see these get waited on and get some hotfixes on the above three problems.

As far as friendly cal/amarr and gal/matar, I stand by my analysis that people are going to regret this and noobies are going to be extremely frustrated. The reason you don't shoot your own militia is because of the standing hit, which doesn't and shouldn't exist cross militia.

Just to reiterate: PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CCP FIX THESE THREE PROBLEMS THAT ARE PISSING OFF EVERYONE.

i was talking about the variety of people posting in here vs the number of active (pvp) pilots flying around.

Well, all mission runners I know don't accept missions against another factions, so it might not be as bad as you think. But yes, most likely many L4 runners will have somewhat bad standing with the opposing faction.
While I (obviously) like all that it still has the significant galente/minmatar vs. amarr/caldari disadvantage that Jita happens to be Caldari. This for me is really just as critical unfortunately. I need to and want to go there on occasion and I hate using alts for stuff like this, as I think it shouldn't be necessary (also for immersion reasons).
(also see comment at the bottom replying to wendi wu for more reasoning on this)

Maybe it should still be tied in to the FW mechanic, that only members of opposing militias (maybe even only with -5 r worse?) are flagged as valid targets for everyone with +5 or better standing? This would not throw off the whole status quo, but open possibilities for those outside FW with bad standing towards Caldari to go to Jita (or generally to roam freely in high-sec), while stiff providing enough of a deterrent for FW members to enter enemy space. It would allow for a generic/normal PVP fits instead of the runaway-from-faction-navies setups needed otherwise.


Remember the Factions themselves are not (officially) at war with each other, they just used to be and there is lingering resentment (or something). The fleet war mechanic is meant to be sort of underground movement, only unofficially sponsored somewhat by the empires, which is why it at least started in low-sec... Also they don't need to patrol their own space, it's "subcontracted" if you will to Concord. A neutral police force enforcing law, not shooting all people the local mayor doesn't like (yes, it's a metaphor, deal with it ). They provide security just fine, as you'll notice if you shoot someone you have no right to shoot, making this high-security.
Tying in to what I wrote in the paragraph above the quote, while concord won't shoot people who fight against a faction in this underground war themselves, it may allow members of that faction (or people in high regard) to shoot them, similar to the way you're allowed to shoot someone who steals from you.

Adding to a good post, and thanks Hans for a great thread.



4. Absolute value heat map instead of relative value heat map, so we have an indication on how contested a system actually is.

Lots of good stuff here, and lots of ideas I don't agree with. Rather than summarizing and trying to remembers all the main points, I'll just be lazy and re-use what I wrote for Shalee's Sov Wars blog. Essentially, I have 3 main recommendations, all of which should be implementation using existing frameworks of modules within the EvE architecture.

Make killing WTs more rewarding

While killing enemy ships has a sporadic LP reward (which, by the way, should be divided among all combatants and not just top damage dealer) there should also be a bounty placed by our government on enemy pod pilots. Possibly by the rank of the enemy pilot. This would help offset the large cost of losing ships in PvP. Again, the bounty shouldn’t be just to the final blow dealer, but like missions and rats, divided among all participants on the combat grid.

Make plexing more rewarding

Plexing is boring as hell. If we could see how much capturing added or removed to the status of a system (like in Incursions) then we could motivate people to plex more. And, there should be monetary rewards and loyalty points involved, they don’t have to be large but any little bit helps. And maybe our navies don’t have to be quite so dumb? They could be more like Sanshas…

Make captured systems have some real consequence

I’m not sure on the details of this one. Maybe we add local navy ‘rats’ to captured systems? Maybe there is some sort of home field bonus to killing enemies in captured systems (to both sides) in an ISK reward? I’d also have a large monetary boost and LP reward to those pilots who capture a bunker. And I’d make a miltia-wide broadcast to both militias when a system has gone vulnerable. Or, over time if a system is captured the friendly rats get tougher/smarter, or maybe it becomes more and more difficult to reclaim the system?

And I’d create a huge reward in ISK and LP to any militia that actually wins… that is, capturing all systems and holding them over time. Medals, LP and ISK rewards militia wide when this happens, and rewarded again maybe for each day that the militia hangs onto all enemy systems.

nah increase NPCs in highsec you should be owned if you go into enemy highsec, and you should be able to take conquer enemy highsec.