EVE General Discussion

It seems you are one of these people, while I have you here please let me know what goes through your mind as you get these emotional feelings?? I am deeply curious! Maybe I could enjoy the game more if I was more like you? You said you wish you could reach through the internets and choke people like us? What illicit's such emotion? I can honestly say that no one on the internet has made me want to do that! LOL!

Maybe it's just the way I was brought up but I was taught not to judge people. You seem to judge but at the same time get a deeper...SOMETHING that may make this game a better experience?

I await your response.

I didn't know that by "cold harsh universe" EVE ads meant "verbal duels on a level of a bunch of quarrelsome kindergarteners".
Good thing that most of this cr*p stays on forum.

Oh, and Kane wins the thread.

If I read a thread that I don't have strong feelings about.. like say... wondering how much it would cost to go to fanfest. I have no interest in attending fanfest, so I'm highly unlikely to even read, let alone post in that thread. It soon falls off page 1, and then no one sees it anymore.

However, if there is a post about removing CONCORD or eliminating NPC corps... well, then I'm going to be interested, and I'm HIGHLY likely to post in that thread.

Because they **** up the forums with their "GIEF US TRAMMUL IN EVE!" threads.


Nowhere in EVE is safe from PVP. I'm sure you read the CSM minutes, remember all that talk of making sure that, at the very least, suicide ganking doesn't get nerfed too hard? There's a reason for that. EVE is a PVP game through and through. If you don't want PVP, you should stop playing EVE.

Anyone who says they don't judge is equally lying. People make judgement calls about people everyday, or do you pull over and let every homeless looking person with their thumb out ride in your car and sleep in your house while you are away?

You seem to be putting words in my mouth.

I am curious as to why people are condescending to players that play EVE differently to themselves.

I have not been on the receiving or giving side to this argument in any sort of way, it's just an attitude I witnessed in great amounts on forums and in-game.

Personally I don't care if you mine / PvP / mission / wormhole / station trade etc.

I just don't understand why anyone would have an issue (which they apparently do) with how they play.

You just seemed to get rather emotional over these questions and I am greatly curious as to why, and in great detail too.

It's a personal hobby of mine to understand how a mind different to mine works. That is all.

So what about what I'm writing is hard to understand?

Nullsec are not against highsec, if anything Nullsec wants to become highsec by making 0.0 risk free and NAP'ing everything that undocks directly or through neutral with NIP benefits

I am very upset by this. Let me play how I wish to play, do not judge. I am meat like you, we all are one. Show respect to fellow man.

Here's my $0.02. There are such heated opinions on game mechanics because players HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
IMO, EVE is failing at at least four things:

1) Storytelling. It's fine to be a sandbox, but your game can't ONLY be a sandbox where you are depending on players alone to create the story. Let's take Incursions for example. What seemed like a "sound all horns, the enemy is at the gates!" part of the game now just seems like yet another endless grind. So the Sansha are invading ... how many people in EVE could tell you which side is winning? Or if there is an "endgame"? Or why they should care.
EVE needs to do better to create story-arcs, and things that will pit players against an unknown entity vs. each other. Kind of like my kids - you tell them to turn off the TV, or don't give them things to do, they will start beating each other up. EVERYBODY is unhappy. You come up with a cool activity for both to be busy with, or just separate them, where they each do their own thing, and again, EVERYBODY is happy.

2) Providing enough people with the feeling that they're the hero. I'm no psychologist, but I imagine that few people like to engage in an activity where they feel like they are the victim, or can be at any moment. That's just masochism. We play games to feel like winners, to feel like we matter, and to build up to better things, bigger things, and to be able to do more with them. Instead, we get an environment where the losses can be (and usually are) permanent, massive, senseless, and inescapable (ganked ships by bored players, getting podded and PERMANENTLY losing SP's that you can't easily replace). Too many things here are designed to grind you down, not lift you up.

3) Banding people together. For an MMO, where the whole point is to play with other people, mechanics of betrayal, theft, bullying, and griefing are not just allowed, they are actually promoted. I've come to a conclusion that I can't trust anybody in the game with a single ISK. Ever. So the mechanisms that allow corps, alliances, etc, are just a moot point to me. I really may as well be playing X3 when it comes out for all the interacting with others I do.

4) Guiding its users' behavior. Really, there are too many a-holes in this game who toss around words like carebears and tears. Who write litanies with no purpose other than to make a person feel worse. In game chat, in these forums, whatever. Who enjoy other people's distress. How many new users do you think you're going to get when the only reponses to new folks losing their favorite new toy are "suck it up," "you've learned your lesson," and "are those tears? are you crying?". Yeah, that's inviting.