Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This....tbh I think this thread has been the first one I ever posted on, after years of playing....it just hit a button. I play by anti-pirate rules, and by alliance rules I dont talk much in local. Its been nice to see guys you've been fighting against for awhile laying out quality arguments that would help the lowsec community as a whole.

You've got anti-pirate and pirates united in opposition to this change CCP...I may need to go to church heh.

Good job on the summary Turgesson. I don't know about the whole pecker eating zombie thing, but I would rather play WOW than join faction warfare... never mind that might be just as bad.

Thanks for the summary Turg, lays it out nicely.

CCP: what if sites like these were cosmic anomalies that popped up on the overview once opened ala FW plexes? No need to probe them down so they can be done while roaming for PVP, can be looked for and done by new players, but they can't be farmed over and over.

IMO, the success of the static 1/10 and 2/10 plexes as combat hotspots was down to a combination of factors:

i) Everyone knew where they were, so you could create roaming routes specifically to hit several in succession
ii) They provided good enough rewards to warrant spending a few minutes running them if there was no one to fight; this meant sitting still in one place and making yourself easy for other people to find, greatly increasing the likelihood of getting a fight
iii) They could be completed in pvp-fit ships, so you didn't have to bring a gimped pve setup or fit a probe launcher if you wanted to run them (which in turn meant that if someone interrupted you while you were running one, you weren't obliged to run away due to being fit for pve)
iv) They were limited in number, so if you got jumped in a plex before finishing it, you couldn't just move a few systems over and farm a different site; you had to either stand your ground or cede the plex and go do something else

To be successful, any potential replacement would have to reproduce all four of those factors; the gated pvp arenas you proposed would fail because they don't have good enough rewards to warrant sticking around to run them if there's no one there to fight.

The idea of replacing them with plexes that drop tradeable tags that could be redeemed for sec status (and/or faction standing) gains is more interesting, although it would depend heavily on their market value. A payout of tags that could be sold for 30-50m would be about right, putting them in the same ballpark as FW small plexes at a decent tier. That would also help to eliminate the regional disparity in the values of the old static plexes, where the blood/sansha/serpentis statics dropped relatively low value deadspace loot (ANPs, SARs, and prop mods, which were typically worth ~30m at most) whereas the gurista and angel plexes could drop much more valuable c- and b-type shield boosters.


I'd also like to address one factual inaccuracy in your post:

This is impossible - under the new system, the 1/10 and 2/10 plexes only spawn in highsec, so there is no way that the change would provide any impetus to explore lowsec.

Ok Olley, that shite cracked me up. :)

And unleashed a bunch of outlaws on high sec targeting people right inside Tier 1 and 2 of their layered model for customers. They really should edit those CSM minutes better to not let us know exactly where to hit their wallet.

but in this case it's more like "We take away the tools and then we ignore you"

I made that summary the way I would if I had a vendor telling me lies. Give them another week or three to figure out how to outsmart us with more bull.

While I do appreciate seeing yet another person putting their voice towards the cause (thanks mate!), I do feel that I need to point out that your reasons are not what we are looking for.

Yes it may be true that the number of exploration sites in low sec are not that high, but its not exploration sites we want. Exploration sites are a PVE isk making activity that the bulk of us can agree that we do appreciate because losing ships costs isk. What we want back is our static plexes not because of the PVE aspect, but because of the combat it instills in the area. The reason we like it is because yes it can be seen as a source of isk generation, but it also is for the bulk of us a source of purpose. Something to fight over. Because of the value of these places which remain in one location making them easy for anybody to get to they become a hotbed of PVP. As stated innumerable times before its because of the intrinsic value of these complexes that PVP prospers here in conjunction with their static nature. Removing any one aspect, (static or value) makes removes their viability as a key PVP site. Removing the value from them makes them no better than a asteroid belt or planet, and last time I logged on we had a few of those in space, and removing their static nature makes them like the other exploration sites that we all ready have, yes they do produce PVP, but it is very infrequent and unreliable. Not to mention it always is a PVE ship vs a PVP ship, which is not the kind of fight that we are looking for.

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