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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Tzic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1501 - 2013-01-17 19:12:21 UTC
Jr Instructorcon wrote:
My alliance has a suicide watch style support network for people who manage the 500+ POS/infrastructure my alliance needs.

Stew on that for awhile.



My drinking may or may not have increased exponentially since becoming more involved in logistics.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1502 - 2013-01-17 19:12:21 UTC
Two step wrote:

Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.


Are we talking another 6 years here or? Like said before, enough playing nice, it's time to deliver and stop making excuses. If they've allowed themselves to fall into a situation where fixing this is too much work, they have only themselves to blame.
Ruges
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1503 - 2013-01-17 19:13:42 UTC
I am sitting in a POS right now, so I say POS mechanics affect me.
Blastil
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#1504 - 2013-01-17 19:14:08 UTC
To me, if there is one thing that remains to be itterated, its POSES. Everything else is well running at the moment. It would be ABSOLUTE FOLLY to stop fixing the only remaining horrible mechanic in eve before moving on to add more Jesus features.
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#1505 - 2013-01-17 19:15:00 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
Both me and CCP Unifex are following this discussion, and will respond when we've had a chance to catch up on all of it and can address and clarify some things properly. Please see CCP Gargant's post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2475724#post2475724



You my friend, have taken on a plate full and I wish you the best in your endeavors. :P

For myself, if I ever post something out of frustration that leads you or anyone else to think I don't care about the game, please understand that I get frustrated because I do care and sometimes can't convey that as well as I'd like to.

With that said

Thank you for working with us on these issues.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Lion Around
Private Warfare Negation Systems Universal
#1506 - 2013-01-17 19:15:22 UTC
I support a POS revamp.

At the very least, secure storage of individual items and ships should be a priority. "Corp thieves" have it really easy to take whatever they please the moment they gain access in a wh alliance. This isn't emergent gameplay, it's just a damned loophole in the game mechanics. "I'll put this 9 billion isk carrier in this hangar that ANYONE CAN ACCESS and trust that new guy we just recruited not to steal it."

GIVE US THE ABILITY TO SECURE ASSETS. This I believe is a priority for many alliances that rely on POSes for storage of important assets. That's my two cents.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1507 - 2013-01-17 19:16:30 UTC
I agree pos need Fixing!

I use pos in w-space life, in my mining/missioning days and i am planning getting one for my trade alt(although, i realy am not looking forward to all that work).
In my opinion at least half the enablers can become instigators if they just have the time for it.
Less pos work helps them doing that.

Maybe we also can help CCP with this. We should , except signing this thread , also start to think of a expansion-theme where a POS revamp can be one of the centerpieces.

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#1508 - 2013-01-17 19:16:53 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Two step wrote:

Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.


Are we talking another 6 years here or? Like said before, enough playing nice, it's time to deliver and stop making excuses. If they've allowed themselves to fall into a situation where fixing this is too much work, they have only themselves to blame.



He means the planning process for the summer expansion, which is starting now and lasts a few weeks. Have you read Hans Jagerblitzen's "The (P.O.S.) Elephant in the Conference Room"?
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1509 - 2013-01-17 19:18:01 UTC
CCP damage control is active.

But at least it's good damage control this time.

Keep in touch CCP!

...
Jaylance
Perkone
Caldari State
#1510 - 2013-01-17 19:18:18 UTC
Can I haz U stuffs?

Oh wait wrong post, Yea POS will affect me.
Phae Mure
Phoenix and Piramid Ra Corporation
#1511 - 2013-01-17 19:18:24 UTC
+1 fix dat posez
Jeb Hataska
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#1512 - 2013-01-17 19:18:42 UTC
Just posting I have never been involved in POS management before, but am researching and trying to decide whether it would be worth it to set up a small POS on an OOC alt within the next few weeks. I'm considering T2 production.
andrbr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1513 - 2013-01-17 19:18:52 UTC
POS need Fix.
BennyBoy Starhopper
Perkone
Caldari State
#1514 - 2013-01-17 19:19:13 UTC
OK - I am not usually one for CCP bashing at all - I usually avoid it like the plague.

However - CCP - one of your representatives lied to me face to face about this.

Roll on "Elite: Dangerous"
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1515 - 2013-01-17 19:19:23 UTC
At the same time that CCP talks of the successes of themed expansions like oh what was that one... that one with the sleepers and all the probing.... that one where you have to live out of like an orca or a ...POS or something they talk about how the audience for POS work is so small that it's not worth it- so which is it, were wormholes a wild success or is there only a small group of people that would care for such a thing?
Dark Viola
Beard Inc.
#1516 - 2013-01-17 19:21:54 UTC
I support this
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1517 - 2013-01-17 19:22:42 UTC
X POS REwap needet as air for breading.


or start preper for jita burn again.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1518 - 2013-01-17 19:23:01 UTC
Nair Alderau wrote:
He means the planning process for the summer expansion, which is starting now and lasts a few weeks. Have you read Hans Jagerblitzen's "The (P.O.S.) Elephant in the Conference Room"?


Yes, and I've also read this entire thread, several older devblogs and dev comments about POS's needing to be fixed, that said I've yet to see anything happen. I don't want promises that they will be fixed, I want fixes. I'm fine with them coming out gradually but what I am not fine with is another batch of empty promises, blatant lies and belittling of the problem all the while admitting that there is a problem that needs fixing.

In the end Hans' blogpost has just as much information value as Two Step's post about staying calm or CCP stating that they are looking at it. Neither Hans or Two Step are the ones fixing the issues, and given CCP's track record, they are the ones that absolutely need to improve.

This isn't playing nice, it isn't playing mean, it's simply stating facts.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#1519 - 2013-01-17 19:24:16 UTC
Nair Alderau wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Two step wrote:

Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.


Are we talking another 6 years here or? Like said before, enough playing nice, it's time to deliver and stop making excuses. If they've allowed themselves to fall into a situation where fixing this is too much work, they have only themselves to blame.



He means the planning process for the summer expansion, which is starting now and lasts a few weeks. Have you read Hans Jagerblitzen's "The (P.O.S.) Elephant in the Conference Room"?

if you haven't you should. You=person reading this now.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Marsan
#1520 - 2013-01-17 19:25:30 UTC
What the hell?!!? We've been patient with CCP not fixing anything related to POSes for quite some time because we'd been promised there was this new POS system coming. Believe it or not a lot of people depend on POSes. Maybe not directly but they sure as hell depend on goods produced in a POS. Wormhole dwellers are entirely dependant on POSes, and the complete lack of a sane security model has caused every corp I've played in to consider throwing in the towel. Not to mention I don't see how you'll ever get Null Sec industry going without a revamped POSes and/or stations.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.