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Concord Give your stuff away if you get banned?!?!?!

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BEPOHNKA
Ner Vod Fleet Systems
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-01-16 05:53:54 UTC
Hello,

Just saying if any accounts get banned from eve online maybe someday concord can give it away for free and hide it in space for someone to find... BearShocked
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#2 - 2013-01-16 06:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Edit: I fail at reading.

They might get unbanned, you know.Smile
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3 - 2013-01-16 06:46:21 UTC
CCP has stated that they keep removed RMT ISK/Plex on hand for potential adjustments of the PLEX market.

I don't think they said whether or not they had meddled with it at that time.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-16 08:01:38 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
Edit: I fail at reading.

They might get unbanned, you know.Smile



this....


with enough time (they wouldn't want to ask to be ubanned 1 day after the ban lol) and a real good I am sorry please let me play again petition banned players can come back. CCP leaves the assets for them. Even the more high level violators like Isk sellers have been known to come back in time. they come back to an account with a negative isk balance they work off is the caveat. They kind of need the gear to work off their debt.





Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#5 - 2013-01-16 09:11:57 UTC
Should anyone be banned, I think that their high level stuff, as in t2 ship modules and expensive equipment should be sold off and the acquired ISK be distributed amongst the players, who are at a random station.

For this to be effective, there must be a double figure number of players in the station, otherwise one guy could end up with all that cash.

The banned player keeps their more basic equipment to work off the debt that CCP assigns them.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#6 - 2013-01-16 09:15:59 UTC
This is a terrible idea. Why would you randomly give out potentially huge amounts of wealth to players who would otherwise pay for a subscription in order to earn that wealth?

Also, why would you distribute it based on dumb luck?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-16 09:17:24 UTC
welfare mentality Big smile

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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#8 - 2013-01-16 09:28:39 UTC
Space communism?
Hrothgar Nilsson
#9 - 2013-01-16 12:22:42 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP has stated that they keep removed RMT ISK/Plex on hand for potential adjustments of the PLEX market.

I don't think they said whether or not they had meddled with it at that time.

Maybe that's where the PLEX for 21-day referrals who subscribe come from.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-16 13:34:48 UTC
BEPOHNKA wrote:
Hello,

Just saying if any accounts get banned from eve online maybe someday concord can give it away for free and hide it in space for someone to find... BearShocked



What would be good for the game on top of getting rid of those scums, is to make those assets/isk go pouf, take out of the game, eliminated, exterminated, annihilated, suppressed, erased from database.

Just like that.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-01-16 13:40:09 UTC
Yeah using the confiscated stuff in the reimbursement program works better.
That way you dont exnihlo anything.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-01-16 14:30:11 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
This is a terrible idea. Why would you randomly give out potentially huge amounts of wealth to players who would otherwise pay for a subscription in order to earn that wealth?

Also, why would you distribute it based on dumb luck?


Actually since botting and such reduces the overall value of everybody else who doesn't bot, it's not THAT bad. Thou it would be better to just distribute it among all the players, not just a random station.
The problem is that then everybody else would be a bit more rich and the items would devaluate anyway. So no.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-16 15:18:06 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP has stated that they keep removed RMT ISK/Plex on hand for potential adjustments of the PLEX market.

tbh this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard a company claim (and I've heard it from multiple people). It's not as if CCP can't just write a simple SQL statement and make some more PLEX. Hell, they probably just have a button on admin accounts.

Keep removed ISK/PLEX "on hand"... Roll

CCP has no sense of humour.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2013-01-16 15:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Some Rando wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP has stated that they keep removed RMT ISK/Plex on hand for potential adjustments of the PLEX market.

tbh this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard a company claim (and I've heard it from multiple people). It's not as if CCP can't just write a simple SQL statement and make some more PLEX. Hell, they probably just have a button on admin accounts.

Keep removed ISK/PLEX "on hand"... Roll


If they created PLEX, they'd be spending $17.5 each time they did it (or $11, or however much they value a 1 month sub internally).
If they created ISK, they'd be adding a potentially infinite ISK faucet to the game (if the real value of PLEX dropped significantly), and they'd be on ethically shaky ground because they're taking that $17.5 and not providing a service in return (nobody gets subbed for a month).

By limiting themselves to interfering using only the PLEX/ISK they've removed from the RMT accounts, they can provide a moderating effect on price swings without bankrupting themselves trying to fight a long term price level change upwards (cause they run out of PLEX and switch to other tactics) or causing massive inflation trying to fight a long term price level change downwards (cause they run out of ISK and switch to other tactics), and they stay off the ethically troubling grounds of not providing the service they've been paid for.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-16 15:52:39 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
By limiting themselves to interfering using only the PLEX they've removed from the RMT accounts, they can provide a moderating effect on price swings without bankrupting themselves trying to fight a long term price level change (cause they run out of PLEX and switch to other tactics).

Yes, undoubtedly CCP keeps metrics of the number of PLEX in market orders, lying around in a hanger, used, in the redeeming system, destroyed, or seized for whatever reason. The dumb part is claiming you stockpile a SQL record that you can alter or create at will.

CCP has no sense of humour.

BEPOHNKA
Ner Vod Fleet Systems
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-01-16 15:56:18 UTC
Hello!

i do understand fact someone may get free stuff why other don't... so maybe not place in space for anyone to find. Do what CCP did for the T2 BPOS.. random drawing hope you get lucky Shocked
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2013-01-16 16:03:32 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
[The dumb part is claiming you stockpile a SQL record that you can alter or create at will.
…which, of course, no-one has claimed. He said that they keep them on hand — i.e. still live in the system — rather than include them in the erasure when an account gets nuked.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2013-01-16 16:16:29 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Yes, undoubtedly CCP keeps metrics of the number of PLEX in market orders, lying around in a hanger, used, in the redeeming system, destroyed, or seized for whatever reason. The dumb part is claiming you stockpile a SQL record that you can alter or create at will.


Why delete a record (but keep count of the number of such records deleted) only to recreate that same record later (and adjust the aforementioned count), when you can simply leave the records in the system (that's not hurting for storage space) and skip the possibility of problems with the count?

Regardless, it ultimately doesn't matter whether they "keep" the record or just a count of the number (and type) of records deleted. The result is exactly the same: there is a limit (self imposed though it is) to the number of PLEXes/amount of ISK that CCP has available to intervene in the PLEX market. How they organize their server is not particularly interesting.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-01-16 16:19:11 UTC
or you could do what the rest of us do and find ways to make isk that currently exist?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-01-16 16:26:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Why delete a record (but keep count of the number of such records deleted) only to recreate that same record later (and adjust the aforementioned count), when you can simply leave the records in the system (that's not hurting for storage space) and skip the possibility of problems with the count?

That's a good point, but you can also count destroyed PLEX as "available" for adjusting the market (if we're concerned only with already-paid-for PLEX) , so in the end either record-keeping system would work fine.

RubyPorto wrote:
How they organize their server is not particularly interesting.

I find it quite interesting, thank you very much.

CCP has no sense of humour.

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