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GTX 560 Ti or Radeon 6870

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Alexandria Aesirial
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#1 - 2011-10-24 18:51:09 UTC
I've been using my i3 and the integrated graphics chip to run just about everything at decent settings but I want to get a GPU so I thought i'd ask from those of you that know a thing or two about these cards.

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Verone
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#2 - 2011-10-24 19:33:45 UTC

The last rig I built, I initally bought a 2GB Sapphire 5870. It was nothing but trouble. Overheating, driver issues, messed up flash support in with the drivers too., completely useless.

I swapped out to two 3GB Palit GTX580s and they've been perfect since they were installed.

I'll never bother with an ATI card again.

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#3 - 2011-10-24 22:03:06 UTC
Verone wrote:

The last rig I built, I initally bought a 2GB Sapphire 5870. It was nothing but trouble. Overheating, driver issues, messed up flash support in with the drivers too., completely useless.



Yup, I've had two bad 5870's in a row. One was a replacement, and upgrade via RMA but still had the same issues.

Like you, I'm never planning to bother with an ATI card again.

AMD need to sort themselves out, and fast.
Akita T
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#4 - 2011-10-24 22:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
If you want to stay away from ATI for now and go NVIDIA, just get a 1GB GTS 450, they're quite affordable now (starting at about 105$), it's sort of enough for most games that came out recently and it should be a big improvement over what you have now anyway.
If you don't mind ATI, get a 6670 for even as little as 80$. I haven't heard many complaints about it so far, so it must at least not suck. Oh, and it can power itself from just the PCI-E slot, no need for additional power couplings (under the 75W max of PCI-E slot limits, allegedly only 66W or so).
Heck, probably even an uber-budget 1GB GT 440 (starting at about 75$) will just about do it too. That's also under the 75W limit (allegedly around 65W).


Why those borderline pathetic ones and not something more beefy ?


First off, because if you could survive so long with Intel HD on-chip graphics, you're already going to get a significant jump with those cards (even the cheapest one mentioned should be the very least a 3-fold increase in FPS and even more in terms of visual quality), and it's not really worth spending a lot more money on what it will basically be either a temporary (if you can or want to sell it on) or an emergency backup video card (if you just keep it - and it doesn't hurt to have one such backup "just in case").

That, and because this next spring the latest, both NVIDIA and ATI are coming up with their new series of cards, and you could probably wait a few more months to get a last-gen video card until then.
If you are to believe the hype, they're allegedly significantly better in terms of performance/watt compared to the current generations and will most likely also feature PCI-E 3.0 support.


P.S. NVIDIA is rumoured to start the 600 series of cards with a "budget-to-enthusiast" release schedule - meaning, they're shelling out the lower numbers first in early spring 2012 (stuff like 630 and 640) with the higher numbers only later on, early summer of even late summer 2012 (stuff like 670 and 680).
That's pretty much the exact opposite of what they have done with many of their previous graphics card series, where the top of the line cards came out earlier and the budget ones later.
Grimpak
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Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-24 23:15:53 UTC
Akita T wrote:
If you don't mind ATI, get a 6670 for even as little as 80$. I haven't heard many complaints about it so far, so it must at least not suck. Oh, and it can power itself from just the PCI-E slot, no need for additional power couplings (under the 75W max of PCI-E slot limits, allegedly only 66W or so).
Heck, probably even an uber-budget 1GB GT 440 (starting at about 75$) will just about do it too. That's also under the 75W limit (allegedly around 65W).



5770/6770 is a good choice too, altho in this case, you'll need to link it up with the PSU. it's not a big deal on power tho, total power consumption on a 6770 is about 108W or thereabouts.

cost-wise, it's 20$ (sapphire vapor-X series cost about 110$, and it's advisable due to the improved cooling, altho standart ones are good enough) more than the 6670, and is quite better.

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#6 - 2011-10-25 00:20:57 UTC
I have a 6870. Very easy to apply a mild overclock without even messing with voltage settings. Never seems to get hot. I can run games like shogun 2/Deus Ex HR and the like with everything maxed. It even ran 2x captains quarters simultaneously on the two separate screens without issue. However I reckon a third would make it chug.

Fairly affordable and while I not had it long enough to give you a long term viewpoint (about a month) I have to say I am happy enough thus far. You won't need much better unless you want to run lots of multi screen shenanigans.

Looking forward to BF3 though being one of those lucky peeps from the UK I have to wait an extra three days for some sodding reason.

Hope that helps.

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#7 - 2011-10-25 05:23:47 UTC
The only two reasons I can see for chooseing between those two cards is this

1. Nvidea has 3D enabled if thats what you want to do. Nvidea also has Physx which some games use(like arkham city)

2 AMD has eyefinity, which is marketerspeak for multimonitor support.

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#8 - 2011-10-25 06:37:25 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
The only two reasons I can see for chooseing between those two cards is this

1. Nvidea has 3D enabled if thats what you want to do. Nvidea also has Physx which some games use(like arkham city)

2 AMD has eyefinity, which is marketerspeak for multimonitor support.

nVidia has multimonitor support.

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#9 - 2011-10-25 09:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Caleidascope wrote:
Lithalnas wrote:
The only two reasons I can see for chooseing between those two cards is this

1. Nvidea has 3D enabled if thats what you want to do. Nvidea also has Physx which some games use(like arkham city)

2 AMD has eyefinity, which is marketerspeak for multimonitor support.

nVidia has multimonitor support.




not quite like eyefinity.

and with the 6xxx series I think you can enable 3D on ATI cards. in the case of games however, it just needs a bit of magic. afaik.

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Barakkus
#10 - 2011-10-25 17:17:25 UTC
I have a ATI 6750, pretty good card, haven't have any problems with it.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Lithalnas
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#11 - 2011-10-25 18:25:01 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Lithalnas wrote:
The only two reasons I can see for chooseing between those two cards is this

1. Nvidea has 3D enabled if thats what you want to do. Nvidea also has Physx which some games use(like arkham city)

2 AMD has eyefinity, which is marketerspeak for multimonitor support.

nVidia has multimonitor support.



for 3 or more monitors you need to sli Nvidia cards, you only need one ati card.

and there was an interesting article this morning about the 560 ti.
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21890

apparently there will be a revision which makes it perform more like a 570 and fall between the 6950 and 6970

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Verone
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#12 - 2011-10-25 18:57:40 UTC

I've worked with both Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround and I have to say that Nvidia's version is far better.

While you do have to have two cards to run more than two displays, it's worth the investment for the stability and performance it provides.

ATI's software and drivers are slow, clunky, bugridden and prone to crashing horribly if you even look at them the wrong way.

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RubenX
The Drifters
#13 - 2011-10-25 19:49:02 UTC
Just keep in mind that most of the 6870's troubles were driver related... all got fixed on the latest catalyst drivers (really recently). Ergo, if you get a 6870, whatever you do, DO NOT use the cd that comes with it. *Especially* if you plan to crossfire it.

I have a pair of 6870s crossfire'd right now and they work fine with a triple monitor setup 5760x1080. I regularly get 200fps on EvE.

Also not (rarely documented) the 5870 comes with *one* crossfire connector. Because of that, 2 cards is the higher you can go. If you wanna keep the 3-way options opened, look elsewhere.

As per brands... MSI comes with some dongles, nice utilities and those have 2 fans.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-25 23:37:18 UTC
Verone wrote:

I've worked with both Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround and I have to say that Nvidia's version is far better.

While you do have to have two cards to run more than two displays, it's worth the investment for the stability and performance it provides.

ATI's software and drivers are slow, clunky, bugridden and prone to crashing horribly if you even look at them the wrong way.




tbh it's a hit-or-miss on the ATI drivers.

I, for example, had actually more problems with NV drivers than ATI.

atm my sapphire 6770 vapor-x runs smoothly and problem-free, and quite less noisy than the 8800 GT I had before.

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#15 - 2011-10-27 21:01:55 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Verone wrote:

I've worked with both Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround and I have to say that Nvidia's version is far better.

While you do have to have two cards to run more than two displays, it's worth the investment for the stability and performance it provides.

ATI's software and drivers are slow, clunky, bugridden and prone to crashing horribly if you even look at them the wrong way.




tbh it's a hit-or-miss on the ATI drivers.

I, for example, had actually more problems with NV drivers than ATI.

atm my sapphire 6770 vapor-x runs smoothly and problem-free, and quite less noisy than the 8800 GT I had before.


Which isn't at all related to a poorly designed cooler.P

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#16 - 2011-10-28 02:27:01 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Verone wrote:

I've worked with both Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround and I have to say that Nvidia's version is far better.

While you do have to have two cards to run more than two displays, it's worth the investment for the stability and performance it provides.

ATI's software and drivers are slow, clunky, bugridden and prone to crashing horribly if you even look at them the wrong way.




tbh it's a hit-or-miss on the ATI drivers.

I, for example, had actually more problems with NV drivers than ATI.

atm my sapphire 6770 vapor-x runs smoothly and problem-free, and quite less noisy than the 8800 GT I had before.


Which isn't at all related to a poorly designed cooler.P



the cooler could be better designed tbh. it should've had it on the edge so that it pulls air on one direction and not smack dabbed on the middle where it spread the air to the front and back of the card.

it does run quite cool tho, considering the crammed space inside my case (something I intend to upgrade in the near future).

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Nyio
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#17 - 2011-10-28 03:28:11 UTC
I'd say go with Nvidia.

I have no personal experience with the newer ATI cards, but that's cause I gave up on them years ago, and Nvidia has always delivered for me. Got the GeForce GTX 570 (1280MB) now and it's working really good so far.
Alexandria Aesirial
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#18 - 2011-10-29 07:39:35 UTC
I'm having similar problems with ATI drivers on my laptop, which runs eve pretty well. I think I'll go with the gtx 560ti. It's a bit better than the 6870 and can deliver better fps in most games...and no unforeseen driver problemsSmile. Thx for the advice.

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#19 - 2011-10-29 14:13:17 UTC
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#20 - 2011-10-31 07:32:22 UTC
Check out Tom's Q3 round-up: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card-gaming-performance,3042.html

6870 is not really comparable to the 560Ti! The 560Ti's cost £200. You can get a HD6950 for £180!

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