These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

What is your favorite Eve myth?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#221 - 2013-01-09 19:50:09 UTC
-CCP refuses to balance certain broken mechanics out of fear of backlash from the players who use those mechanics.

-PVP is (necessarily) expensive.
Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#222 - 2013-01-09 19:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Marius Deterium
Xinivrae wrote:

Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.


False.

My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec.
Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#223 - 2013-01-09 22:51:09 UTC
Marius Deterium wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:

Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.


False.

My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec.


This ^ I've not only took part in lowsec mining ops but also seen many other groups lowsec mining. If you're smart it works well so does mission running

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."
Velarra
#224 - 2013-01-09 23:09:39 UTC
Ambulation.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#225 - 2013-01-09 23:26:48 UTC
Marius Deterium wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:

Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.


False.

My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec.


I didn't write that at all. Sad
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2013-01-09 23:30:49 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:

Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.


False.

My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec.


I didn't write that at all. Sad


Based on the cookie cutter, troll post hand book response, I wouldn't worry about it.
Kimimaro Yoga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#227 - 2013-01-09 23:45:59 UTC
Autopilot is a horrible thing that will get you killed regardless of circumstances.

Or more general, "Activity X is a horribly dangerous thing that will result in your immediate destruction". Already seen a couple of those on this thread, seems to be a common pattern for some reason.

Now recruiting: http://dogfacedesign.com/index.php/Recruiting-Posters/recruiting-poster-patr3
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#228 - 2013-01-11 07:56:05 UTC
Holy God, the RNG back and forth is making me want to hit a kitten in the throat. With a knife.


DMC, what is your point? Is your point that pseudo-random number generators are not truly random? Is your point that RNG is a myth because, in all likelihood, EvE uses pseudo-random numbers instead of truly random numbers?

If that's your point, you are being a pedant. The difference is entirely philosophical. The Wikipedia link you posted explained that pRNGs generate random sequences sufficient to meet the statistical requirements that randomness is measured by. That is, given a sufficient number of trials, the average of the sample will be the mean of whatever the prescribed probability distribution is, and that the sample will contain a pattern of values that does not appear to be deterministic.

Even the most basic RNG boilerplate code can generate sequences that will not be repeated a single time for a couple hundred million years. You do this by seeding RNG generated seeds to the RNG. Nest until satisfied. I get that this fails on the level of actually being non-deterministic. But it satisfies the actuality of appearing to be non-deterministic as well as the natural (but not formally required) assumption that it shouldn't be predictable. Because it isn't predictable.

If you have a copy of the code used in an RNG, you can't simply say "Okay, code. Give me the result of the 450 billionth trial." It doesn't work like that without actually executing 450 billion trials. Besides, even if you had the exact code CCP uses, you have no way of knowing which trial you are looking at for a given operation. It is functionally non-deterministic even though the function itself is determined. Lookup NP-complete problems.

If your point is that randomness doesn't exist at all, you are making a statement of what amounts to faith. It's the same type of assertion that "God doesn't exist" is. It is a completely philosophical belief that everything is determined already. And it's fine for you to say that randomness is a myth.

But it's most certainly not an EvE myth. It's a statement about what you believe about life, the universe, and everything. It's an assertion about reality, and, as many on this thread have pointed out, EvE isn't actually real.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon