Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No. There is no need for it. We have found an implant that provides an instant transfer of consciousness - even at the moment of death. We still need a capsule to pilot our ship, but other than that, we are set.

This sounds interesting but I am lazy. Care to link it?

Isn't this just classic forum peachiness at it's best? I think you've completely missed my point...

for play-ability's sake and for the convenience of using a system we are all familiar with- not to mention reconciling the strange 'suddenly clothed' and decanted clone that appears inside your captain's quarters when you dock and access the WIS component of the game, we need something to tie up those lose ends.

You'd be able to fit a clone just like how you would fit a ship, albeit with the additional step of buying skills that are appropriate and usable in a station environment... like "quick draw" or "dance" or "barter" (or whatever... i'm still working on a 'Vanity-skill que' post so I do intend to revisit that when I've got something worthwhile to submit for viewing)

I wasn't really concerned with the minutia of who is guarding a clone body, or by what exact process and/or implant is required- This VANITY CLONE idea is more an overview of the in station device that is your cloned, fully-clothed body, that people have been either embracing as a change from past cannon or regarding as the bane of Incarna. As 2010 and 2011 players (going by your toon's start dates) you might or might not be all that versed on those particular mindsets to which I am attempting to speak.


The oldschoolers- the hardlines I mention in my original post- tended to cling to a 'why should we decant our immortal clone to walk in a spacestation?' mentality (and raged with appropriate justification, as Incarna essentially broke their concept of being a capsuleer, and changed the game in a way they didn't care for)

The newcomers- or more open minded (might be a better way to say it??) those who embraced the WIS model and were willing to let it unfold- tended to have a Laissez-faire attitude and might have been scratching their collective heads at this change in cannon with regard to the once held mantra of PILOTS NEVER LEAVE THEIR PODS.

SOOOoooooo to essentially build a bridge so we can all get over it I offer the concept of the VANITY CLONE... which you guys quickly and unceremoniously chage right in to misunderstanding and forum bashing. I shall now thank you with huge Bounties placed upon- uh.. no.. lets try this a better way. Do you get what I was saying about reconciling past cannon and dogmatic beliefs held, with current (and ever evolving) game play? Yes? ...or will it be the bounty system for you scurvy spacedogs?

The only difference between normal people and the people in capsules right now is capsuleer training and the physical ability to connect themselves into a capsule. Capsuleers remain perfectly normal, physically if not mentally, when outside of the capsule. The instant clothing is just because practically no one wants to wait for their avatar to put on clothes. Also, clones do not have to be "upgradeable". That doesn't even make sense. They are people! You, for that matter. This is a ridiculous idea that would serve no real purpose, and it would require new lore. We already have enough lore to explain why capsuleers can transfer their consciousness during death outside of a capsule.

There is no such thing as a special or specialist clone. Medical clones and jump clones are identical, except jump clones can be "used" before going back into clone storage, and therefore can carry implants. And why, pray tell, can't our clones we use in station be the same as the ones used in a capsule? We see the neural connecters that latch into a capsule on their back, so it's quite obvious that they can be, and are, our normal selves.

very interesting +1

You quoted me and still get it twisted? How epic of you - please note i said "virtual GOD"... and do relax a little bit. This is only a suggestion of mine and here you are flaming me like you're the inventor of flame, Mr. Flamey flame maker. I say chill baby, and lets see if other people who might have broader vision and cooler heads can add some constructive words- not just spout profanity and flame.

I could sink to your level but did you see what I did there ^ ? That's called classy, I could rinse and repeat but I think you're all washed up.

I like the idea of training dust skills and buying dust equipment, however, i do not support pvp activity in the stations. nor do i support any real change to the training system (unless its to reduce the time spent training "sitting" , "running" , or the ever important, "opening Doors" .

You guys should really read some of the chronicles. Its like some of you don't even understand how clones actually work.

Yes, capsuleers WANT to leave their pods. I know I wouldn't want to spend an eternal existance in a bottle of green goop recieveing sustenance from it as well as excreeting into it.

The fact remains, NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT WANT CAPSULEERS ON THEIR STATIONS! Even DUST mercs are confined to their own areas.

The reason I suggested that the OP read Jita 4-4 is that it actually decribes the use of a more dispoable clone with a restricted memory capacity.

As most people in this thread seem to lazy to spend 15 minutes reading something they want to talk about, here are some useful excerpts:

So, now thats out the way, lets continue.

It is theoretically possible, as posed in Jita 4-4, that limited memory clones can be used by capsuleers wishing to have a more disposable clone to enter a station.

Would, (or even could,) these clones be available in every station as soon as you dock. No.You would need a cloning facility for this. That kind of limits the access to these clones, doesn't it.

Will capsuleers be allowed to walk around a station on a whim... No. Most will probably be waking up in a clone vat somewhere as soon as they are discovered, just in case they were a walking biological weapon.

That presents one of two options. Capsuleers get locked in their quarters, or they can be segregated into their own area on a station.

There are also very different laws and rules on stations than in space. They are dependant on who owns the station. These would need to be considered.


Also, should there ever be the skills, "Quick Draw" and "Dance", I know which one I'm taking. I also intend to shoot as many people with the other as possible.
In the face.
Probably a lot lower than that acutally.

and I did say "FOR PLAY-ABILITY'S SAKE".... it's gotta be fun as well as functional, recognizable as being eve-style (in the user interface), AND mesh with the lore of the game.

I know this would work well