Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you leave your ship, so your just in your pod, then enter CQ, you will see your pod in place of tour ship. It's open and ready for your re-entry.

As for disposable clones for WiS... Yes, I am on board with the idea. But not in full.

The idea of clones made for combat on stations doesn't feel 100% right. And don't even get me started on your preprogrammed dancing clone idea. That alone made me want to gouge my eyes out.

But, there should be a means of specialising the clone. I would leave that implants. I would also like to see black market implants like a hacker implant that let's you siphon off a portion of your 'victims' isk from their account or implanted weaponry for use in stations with gun control. How about a smuggling compartment or a 'card counter' implant.for the casino? Maybe even a bomb implant...

Edit:
Before I forget, while in the B-clone, (its called B-lining or baselining - read the chronicles. I also refuse to call it a vanity clone, sounds like its done up in makeup, a Gucci dress and more bling than Mr T,) you should not learn any skills. athe skill que should pause. That said, the B-clone should be exempt to the normal 24 hour cooldown on jump clones.

Following your idea about clones never leaving pods to its logical conclusion, why bother with a whole clone? why not just a nutrient supplied brain and spinal column? Hell, the conciousness transfer is completely digital. It's binary code. Why bother with a human form at all? Why not just house the conciousness in a CPU?

Or, we can look at the fact that the transfer of the conciousness between clones, (the tests, the transferal from the lab to the quarters, among other things,) would actually be a lot more complicated than getting out of your pod and having a shower. Of course, you would be restricting the use of these clones to stations with appropriate medical facilities.

That is unless these clones can be bought and transported with the capsuleer. Perhaps some sort of medical unit for the cargo bay.

And 'vanity clone' is still right up there with Barbies and Malibu Stacy.

And where are these jump clones situated? Ah yes, in stations with medical facilities...
I have actually taken the time to read some of the material that describes the technology you are talking about. You obviously haven't. I suggest you rectify that. That link explains how clones and capsules work together. THIS LINK describes how the whole cloning prossess works, from begining to end.

I know you have said that the fiction that this game is based on is irrelevant, but without it, the game really is just spreadsheets online. If you want to put forward an idea about clones, you better know something about clones beyond "If i die, I come back!"

So, am I a troll, or am I someone who actually thoght this through?


The term you are looking for is semantics. And your right, I detest the term "Vanity-Clone". It insinuates that the only reason to have one is to show off. And yet, the purpose is that you do not need to know how to fly a Badger MkII, maximise your speed using an Afterburner or operate 800mm Cannons while your on a station. Losing one of these clones on a station would be far easier than in a ship. All that data is hard to store, thats why high grade clones are so expensive. But with a clone with limited selective memories, all that data is preserved on your true clone. These selective memory clones are therefore dispoable.

We can argue the semantics forever and a day and get nowhere. We agree on the principal, (except the station skill thing. I still think that buying and installing implants would be more appropriate than learning skills and stacking them in a clone shell, ready to go on activation.)

I suggested reading the background material, because it supports your idea, (for the most part, I still believe there is a special 10th level of hell for those who feel the need for dance emotes as a trainable skill... Oh, and for the record, heretics only make it as far down as the 6th level!)

Ok. I have re-read the whole thread. I have taken time to consider everything that has been said.

I will start with what we agree on:

There should be a dedicated clone for use with WiS.
I whole heartedly agree. The vast majority of the skills used while in a ship are useless while on a station. Not only that but there is a risk that a capsule clone will fail to tranfer its conciousness when it dies unless it is in pod. The risk to the now not -so-immortal capsuleer is huge. A different type of clone for use on a station makes complete sense. Especially given the distrust and fear capsuleers are view with by the rest of humanity. It is highly likely that a capsuleer will be immediatly terminated upon the discovery of their true nature, just in case they are actually a walking weapon. (I still think there would need to be some sort of segregation.)
A disposable clone for the purpose of walking around a station, (or maybe even a planet...) makes complete sense.

These clones should be highly customisable. Both in appearance and abilities.
Damn right. I have thought of a multitude of things I would like to do with WiS and the clone being customisable features highly among the requirements for many of them.

These are the fundamentals. The core of this idea. What we disagree on is mainly how these are achieved and implemented.

I do hold to the lore of the game, because it is part of the games very foundation. I have no issue with adding to what is canon, (I do in fact encourage this and enjoy reading and learning more about the background and how it is evolving,) I only have an issue with ignoring it when it doesn't suit a particular perspective on an idea.


Jump Clones are created using the highly complex and sophisticated equipment and technology found only in certain medical facilities. It is not a simple process and the resources and techniques involved require specialists. You leave your pod and go to the lab for this procedure. Your previous clone is then put into storage within said lab, awaiting further use.

The transfer of consciousness between one clone and another during the destruction of the former is achived through a device built into the clone and connected to the pod. When a breach in the pod is detected, a device takes an image of the clones brain and transfers it, as binary code, to the designated lab to be implanted within the new clone. The new clone then 'wakes up' and is tested as their memories reorganise themselves in the new brain. The process effectivly fries the old clones brain. So even if it did survive the destruction of its pod, it would be a vegitable. This is why neurotoxins are used to induce immediate brain death a fraction of a second after the process completes.

Neither of these processes are conducted within a ship and while uploading uploading to a new clone does technically occur within a pod, its decidedly a one way trip.
My suggestion is that the majority of these clones be handled within a medical facility, like all other clones. The NIS implant that used by DUST mercs could form a basis for this new technology. There could also be a poratable storage unit on the black market for those who need to keep their ID a secret and thus do not wish to use the facilities.

Gameplay wise, there would be no real difference. You could go to CQ and hit an interface and switch to an installed clone. Maybe just use an option in the hanger. Either way, presto, your in your new body in a lab at the entrance to the WiS area and ready to strut your stuff. It works with the lore and all the requirements we have suggested are met.


Now you have put this idea into context, I retract my previous statement of disagreement, to a point. That point being I still intend to execute the random afk dancing morons in the streets. I will do this in a horrible and violent manner. But hey, thats my right, just as its their right to do so. Thats the law of the sandbox.
I do like your idea of Amarrian Ballrooms. Minmatarian metal bars and Gallentian J-pop clubs could also be a feature.

As for the title 'Vanity Clone', your right, I personally don't feel it is accurate or appropriate. But we will have to agree to disagree. Should this actually come about, I'm sure CCP are capable of coming up with an actual name on their own.

Finally, Selective Memories. I think some skills could be useful, mainly the science, electronics and social skills, dependant on certain situations. I also think that implanted abilities and skills would be more appropriate than learned skills for these clones. But having said that, I don't see why they couldn't be combined. I don't know if you ever heard of an RPG called Cyberpunk 2020, but there was an ability to install skill chips into your cyborg body. These skills would not match the level of learned skills, but they were removable and you could swap them as needed, (a bit like scripts...) Maybe this is an area to consider. Perhaps a few core 'WiS' skills that can be enhanced or adapted with scripted implants.

So, how about we opt for collaberation rather than conflict on this? I really want to see this happen, just as you do.

bump (for invigorating discussion's sake)