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18 Days wait to do material research ?

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#1 - 2012-12-20 01:56:41 UTC
Am i missing some thing here are doing some thing wrong ??


I searched to find a free production line to do some material research and blueprint copying .Could not find anything sooner than 18 days wait for material research and 13 days for copying

I dont mind the four days wait to learn some new skills,

But really 18 days just to do some thing new in the game? In 18 days i will have forgotten all about it .I wanted to explore this side of the game but as a new player i dont want to have to wait 18 days just to some thing new in a game
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-20 02:05:43 UTC
Someone else is using the production line... you need to be a man and start your own pos Straight

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Merouk Baas
#3 - 2012-12-20 02:14:52 UTC
Wait times depend on how busy the station is; all the lab/production slots are being used by other players.

Try to find another, less busy station; move away from the trading hub.

This is why people deploy their own research POS towers / stations. It's a lot of work to do so, and to maintain it, but there's no waiting once it's up and running.
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#4 - 2012-12-20 02:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
i serched the whole region ,search was a 12 jump radius .Most of my trade skills are level 3 at the moment
I just want to be clear is this the average wait for material research jobs ? unless you have your own pos
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-12-20 02:32:06 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
i serched the whole region ,search was a 12 jump radius .Most of my trade skills are level 3 at the moment
I just want to be clear is this the average wait for material research jobs ?


The wait to begin the job is the same regardless of skill.... someone else is using the line so you have to get in line

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2012-12-20 02:37:18 UTC
It wasn't 30 days? You lucky...

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#7 - 2012-12-20 02:44:46 UTC
okay i have got my answer these, waiting times are the standard Shocked
Maybe in one month i can build some thing only to discover it cost more to build than its worth Lol
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Merouk Baas
#8 - 2012-12-20 03:01:19 UTC
Well, no, manufacture slots are quite available almost everywhere. You can make stuff from unresearched blueprints immediately.

If you're trying to improve the blueprint (ME research), all the lab slots are likely going to be taken, but you may get lucky.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-20 03:02:11 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
okay i have got my answer these, waiting times are the standard Shocked
Maybe in one month i can build some thing only to discover it cost more to build than its worth Lol


Just join a corp that has a pos to do it Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#10 - 2012-12-20 03:17:50 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
okay i have got my answer these, waiting times are the standard Shocked
Maybe in one month i can build some thing only to discover it cost more to build than its worth Lol


Just join a corp that has a pos to do it Big smile



Will join a corp in time once i have gone as far as i can on my own , its the learning and finding out things for my self part that i enjoy at the moment , if i joined a corp and it was all handed to me on a plate then i would get bored.Thats why this QandA section and the helpfull forum members are great for players like myself

I just get a bit frustrated with some of the waiting times and spat my dummy when i seen a 18 day queue , never been good with queues Smile
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Merouk Baas
#11 - 2012-12-20 03:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
From the beginning stations had a limited number of slots, and CCP doubled and doubled and doubled them, but like storage space it gets used up as soon as it's made available. Lab slots are scarce because you need Invention in order to create Tech 2 blueprint copies to make Tech 2 items, and people are using the labs for that, not just for materials research and copying.

As you can see, the cost of Tech 2 items is high, too, compared to Tech 1.

As far as POSes, a POS can only be deployed by a corporation, so if you want that and still want to do it solo, you'll have to make your own corporation. To place them in high-sec requires very high standings with the local Empire, but because there's a 7-day delay until standings are recalculated, some people offer deployment services.

Some corps also offer research slot rental. You join, do your research with no wait at their labs, and then leave, for a fee (probably expensive).
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#12 - 2012-12-20 04:06:20 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
From the beginning stations had a limited number of slots, and CCP doubled and doubled and doubled them, but like storage space it gets used up as soon as it's made available. Lab slots are scarce because you need Invention in order to create Tech 2 blueprint copies to make Tech 2 items, and people are using the labs for that, not just for materials research and copying.

As you can see, the cost of Tech 2 items is high, too, compared to Tech 1.

As far as POSes, a POS can only be deployed by a corporation, so if you want that and still want to do it solo, you'll have to make your own corporation. To place them in high-sec requires very high standings with the local Empire, but because there's a 7-day delay until standings are recalculated, some people offer deployment services.

Some corps also offer research slot rental. You join, do your research with no wait at their labs, and then leave, for a fee (probably expensive).


thanks for the information
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#13 - 2012-12-20 06:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Will join a corp in time once i have gone as far as i can on my own …


Ouch. You're going to be reinventing a lot of wheels. Have you read the manufacturing page of the Evelopedia and its related materials?

You should be able to predict what your profit will be, including cost of acquiring and researching blueprints, cost of NPC assembly lines, etc: there should be no surprises as to whether an article was profitable to produce, except for unexpected fluctuations in the market.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-20 08:17:40 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Will join a corp in time once i have gone as far as i can on my own …


Ouch. You're going to be reinventing a lot of wheels. Have you read the manufacturing page of the Evelopedia and its related materials?

You should be able to predict what your profit will be, including cost of acquiring and researching blueprints, cost of NPC assembly lines, etc: there should be no surprises as to whether an article was profitable to produce, except for unexpected fluctuations in the market.


Tip when reinventing wheels, they are round.

Seriously, ME and copy in high sec stations will always have huge queues.

You have 3 basic options:

1. Low sec station but that means shipping the BP in and out of lowsec.
2. Make your own POS.
3. JOIN A CORP.

Joining a corp that is new player friendly doesn't mean all is handed to you on a silver plate. It means that they will help when needed or when you ask.

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Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#15 - 2012-12-20 08:28:29 UTC
dont research blueprints unless you have access to POS,either your own or your corp.

buy already researched blueprints,you will pay 10x more for original but its worth it

or hop into cloaking ship and go to lowsec,if you can ask couple of friends to escort you,its should be pretty safe
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2012-12-20 08:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If you look around, you can find 9 day queues (yes, they are queues, so you can start a job using any slot already in use). You can also find smaller queues in lowsec stations. NPC nulsec stations often don't have any wait time, but it can be a hazardous trip getting to one (I used to travel to Curse in a Covert Ops).

Several people offer free research (like myself, Lady Patricia, etc.), and as well there are research alliances (like New Eden Research) that you can join (with an alt) and pay by the hour of research.

Plus you can buy already researched BPO / BPC from contracts, and there is an in-game BPO / BPC trade chat channel.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-20 10:07:49 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Lab slots are scarce because you need Invention in order to create Tech 2 blueprint copies to make Tech 2 items, and people are using the labs for that, not just for materials research and copying.


People setting up invention jobs don't reduce the available ME or copy lines. They're distinct sets of lines.
Station near me, for example, has 20 ME lines (lowest wait 53 days), 20 PE lines (available now), 10 copy lines (lowest wait 9 days), 20 invention lines (available now)
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#18 - 2012-12-20 10:09:29 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
okay i have got my answer these, waiting times are the standard Shocked
Maybe in one month i can build some thing only to discover it cost more to build than its worth Lol


Just join a corp that has a pos to do it Big smile



Will join a corp in time once i have gone as far as i can on my own , its the learning and finding out things for my self part that i enjoy at the moment , if i joined a corp and it was all handed to me on a plate then i would get bored.Thats why this QandA section and the helpfull forum members are great for players like myself

I just get a bit frustrated with some of the waiting times and spat my dummy when i seen a 18 day queue , never been good with queues Smile


It's intentional, it's CCP's way of saying "go add to the sandbox instead of making use of NPC services" :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-20 11:05:01 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
If you look around, you can find 9 day queues (yes, they are queues, so you can start a job using any slot already in use). You can also find smaller queues in lowsec stations. NPC nulsec stations often don't have any wait time, but it can be a hazardous trip getting to one (I used to travel to Curse in a Covert Ops).

Several people offer free research (like myself, Lady Patricia, etc.), and as well there are research alliances (like New Eden Research) that you can join (with an alt) and pay by the hour of research.

Plus you can buy already researched BPO / BPC from contracts, and there is an in-game BPO / BPC trade chat channel.


I can be one of the etc.Lol

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#20 - 2012-12-20 12:51:49 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Someone else is using the production line... you need to be a man and start your own pos Straight


Or just make friends with someone who already has one. That's what we did, so I can verify firsthand that this is quite possible.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

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