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Crimewatch, Suspect, and War Targets

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-20 04:04:43 UTC
Today we showed up to bash a POS owned by some war targets. Having gotten situated and starting to do our thing, some of our WTs showed up. They were followed by several neutral logistics from another alliance we were not atwar with. The neutral logistics began repairing the modules we had damaged, and at that time we noticed that they had not become valid targets to shoot at. From what I have heard, it appears that if the player being repped by neutral logistics is only engaging legal war targets, then the logistics do NOT go suspect. What's more, the legal targets cannot shoot the logistics repping their enemies, despite the fact that prior to Crimewatch, neutral logistics repping the players were legal targets for fifteen minutes to the enemy. However, if that logistics reps anyone with LE/Suspect timers going, then the logistics also goes suspect.

Can anyone confirm if this is intentional, or is the coding wrong? This isn't the first time we've seen this happen, and if this is the case then not only were neutral logistics buffed to the point of being stupidly overpowered, but it seems like the point of Crimewatch has fallen before it's even gotten going.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-20 04:27:32 UTC
Repping a POS or POS modules in high sec with neutral alts while the owners of said POS is at war; is considered an exploit. Petition them and bid them farewell as they rot forever in ban hell.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-12-20 04:47:06 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Repping a POS or POS modules in high sec with neutral alts while the owners of said POS is at war; is considered an exploit. Petition them and bid them farewell as they rot forever in ban hell.

This is the first I've heard about that. Source?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Julius Priscus
#4 - 2012-12-20 05:11:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Repping a POS or POS modules in high sec with neutral alts while the owners of said POS is at war; is considered an exploit. Petition them and bid them farewell as they rot forever in ban hell.

This is the first I've heard about that. Source?



seen it my self somewhere before..

tbh I thought ccp had fixed that.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2012-12-20 05:14:28 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Repping a POS or POS modules in high sec with neutral alts while the owners of said POS is at war; is considered an exploit. Petition them and bid them farewell as they rot forever in ban hell.

My guess is it's 'not'. But repping it with neutral alts WHILE said War Targets are shooting at it probably is an exploit. Which seems to be the situation the Op is describing. Not that they repped it, but that they could rep it while it was being shot and WEREN'T legal targets, so they couldn't do anything to stop the repairs.

It's certainly a bug of some kind anyway, and abusing bugs deliberately is the definition of what an exploit is.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-12-20 05:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-20 17:18:37 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

GM Spiral wrote:
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-12-20 17:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Marlona Sky wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

GM Spiral wrote:
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.


EDIT: Wait... are we talking starbases or Poses, since the OP was talking about poses. GM mentions StarBases.

I am also talking about Poses. Cosidering the OP and the corp she belongs to this is in highsec and a Pos.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2012-12-20 17:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

[quote=GM Spiral]Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.


[quote]EDIT: Wait... are we talking starbases or Poses, since the OP was talking about poses. GM mentions StarBases.

I am also talking about Poses. Cosidering the OP and the corp she belongs to this is in highsec and a Pos.[/quote

CCP often refers to POS's as "Starbases" for some unknown reason.

Edit: To me, at best, they are more like Star Campsites.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-20 17:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
They committed a very big bannable offense.

They gonna get banned.

Ranger 1 wrote:


Quote:
EDIT: Wait... are we talking starbases or Poses, since the OP was talking about poses. GM mentions StarBases.

I am also talking about Poses. Cosidering the OP and the corp she belongs to this is in highsec and a Pos.[/quote

CCP often refers to POS's as "Starbases" for some unknown reason.


Because POS == Player Owned Starbase.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2012-12-20 17:41:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
masternerdguy wrote:
They committed a very big bannable offense.

They gonna get banned.

Ranger 1 wrote:


Quote:
EDIT: Wait... are we talking starbases or Poses, since the OP was talking about poses. GM mentions StarBases.

I am also talking about Poses. Cosidering the OP and the corp she belongs to this is in highsec and a Pos.[/quote

CCP often refers to POS's as "Starbases" for some unknown reason.


Because POS == Player Owned Starbase.

It's like calling a collection of grass huts a city.

And I always thought it was "Player Owned Structure".

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-20 17:44:03 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
They committed a very big bannable offense.

They gonna get banned.

Ranger 1 wrote:


Quote:
EDIT: Wait... are we talking starbases or Poses, since the OP was talking about poses. GM mentions StarBases.

I am also talking about Poses. Cosidering the OP and the corp she belongs to this is in highsec and a Pos.[/quote

CCP often refers to POS's as "Starbases" for some unknown reason.


Because POS == Player Owned Starbase.

It's like calling a collection of grass huts a city.

And I always thought it was "Player Owned Structure".


'Structure' would also refer to TCUs, SBUs, Outposts, etc.

Starbase refers specifically to the POS, the Player Owned Starbase.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2012-12-20 17:54:18 UTC
There's still a little bit of quirkiness in the system when it comes to crimewatch and starbases. We're hoping to iron it out in the new year Smile
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-12-20 18:46:59 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

GM Spiral wrote:
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.

That's obscure as ****. They'd better get warned for a first offense instead of straight out banned.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-12-20 18:47:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

GM Spiral wrote:
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.

That's obscure as ****. They'd better get warned for a first offense instead of straight out banned.


Ignorance cannot become an excuse.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2012-12-20 18:49:44 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
There's still a little bit of quirkiness in the system when it comes to crimewatch..... Smile


WHAT?!?! Surely you jest....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-20 18:52:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

GM Spiral wrote:
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.

That's obscure as ****. They'd better get warned for a first offense instead of straight out banned.

Looks very straight forward to me. Which part confused you?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-12-20 18:55:20 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
No...

Neutral Logi will only go suspect if you are repping somebody that has an aggression timer to a none NPC character.

If they repped the pos while you were away and not shootin at it then they will not go suspect. if they rep it while you shooting at then they will go suspect.

And Neyvyn and Marlona Sky, it is not an exploit. As a neutral you can rep anything and anybody. You will go suspect if somebody still has a agression timer on said pos/module/ship


http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1

GM Spiral wrote:
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.

Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.

That's obscure as ****. They'd better get warned for a first offense instead of straight out banned.

Looks very straight forward to me. Which part confused you?

I never said I was confused, but this is a rule from five years ago. It's not posted publicly anywhere except there. There's nothing in the EULA or TOS about it. How am I supposed to know that repairing a starbase with a neutral alt is considered an exploit unless someone tells me?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-12-20 18:57:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I never said I was confused, but this is a rule from five years ago. It's not posted publicly anywhere except there. There's nothing in the EULA or TOS about it. How am I supposed to know that repairing a starbase with a neutral alt is considered an exploit unless someone tells me?


Reading the forums where devs post these kinds of communications. Besides, how could you not sense this was an exploit? You found a way to 100% evade all consequences for your actions by using an edge case of the game mechanics and it isn't an exploit?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-12-20 19:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cindy Marco
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I never said I was confused, but this is a rule from five years ago. It's not posted publicly anywhere except there. There's nothing in the EULA or TOS about it. How am I supposed to know that repairing a starbase with a neutral alt is considered an exploit unless someone tells me?


I would think any situation where you can directly influence a battle, and not be flagged is clearly an exploit.

Why should someone have to tell you that something is wrong if your not flagged when your part of a fight? It seems pretty obvious.

With such an obvious exploit they don't need to warn you.
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