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If null sec is so bad Why the heck do you live there?????

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-12-19 09:08:11 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Sure. Structure mails and a stront alt.


lmao

you think that one of the 3 dudes with access to the CSAA alt corp will be logged in and keeping an eye out for structure mails, and have a stronting alt ready at a moment's notice

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-12-19 09:11:07 UTC
Back to my question earlier...

So lets say they make those changes about bottom up income and industry can function properly. Then what? What exactly will change on the political landscape?? Anyone can look up the daily sov map, but unfortunately it only shows alliance controlled space which is not how it works at all. Not for many years now at least. You have the pilot, the corp they are in, the alliance that corp is in and the coalition and as we now see today, a giant super coalition made up of two coalitions who have rules of engagement with each other and a strict NIP and a list of other 'do not do' things. Coined best as neutral blues.

How would those two null improvements in ISK and industry change that, if at all?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-12-19 09:12:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Sure. Structure mails and a stront alt.


lmao

you think that one of the 3 dudes with access to the CSAA alt corp will be logged in and keeping an eye out for structure mails, and have a stronting alt ready at a moment's notice

You don't need to be logged in to get notification mails. API. You know this as well as I do, stop playing dumb.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-12-19 09:13:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Back to my question earlier...

So lets say they make those changes about bottom up income and industry can function properly. Then what? What exactly will change on the political landscape?? Anyone can look up the daily sov map, but unfortunately it only shows alliance controlled space which is not how it works at all. Not for many years now at least. You have the pilot, the corp they are in, the alliance that corp is in and the coalition and as we now see today, a giant super coalition made up of two coalitions who have rules of engagement with each other and a strict NIP and a list of other 'do not do' things. Coined best as neutral blues.

How would those two null improvements in ISK and industry change that, if at all?


Nullsec space would actually be worth holding and you'd have groups seriously challenging the "super coalition." Unless you're saying that our success needs to be nerfed?

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-12-19 09:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Back to my question earlier...

So lets say they make those changes about bottom up income and industry can function properly. Then what? What exactly will change on the political landscape?? Anyone can look up the daily sov map, but unfortunately it only shows alliance controlled space which is not how it works at all. Not for many years now at least. You have the pilot, the corp they are in, the alliance that corp is in and the coalition and as we now see today, a giant super coalition made up of two coalitions who have rules of engagement with each other and a strict NIP and a list of other 'do not do' things. Coined best as neutral blues.

How would those two null improvements in ISK and industry change that, if at all?


Nullsec space would actually be worth holding and you'd have groups seriously challenging the "super coalition." Unless you're saying that our success needs to be nerfed?

I don't mind that you have thousands and thousands of friends. What is incredibly broken beyond is being belief is the able to defend a friends space from across the game in just a matter of a few minutes and be back in time for lunch. Unless you think power projection is fine right now? Maybe you should write an article about how it is balanced.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-12-19 09:23:24 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
I don't mind that you have thousands and thousands of friends. What is incredibly broken beyond is being able to defend a friends space from across the game in just a matter of a few minutes and be back in time for lunch. Unless you think power projection is fine right now? Maybe you should write an article about how it is balanced.


An example of this is...?

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Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-12-19 09:23:27 UTC
Despite the fact that you keep repeating "travel is too quick in Eve" it's still slow as balls to get anywhere, even with jump bridges.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-12-19 09:25:19 UTC
Also increasing nullsec travel time would make roaming suck tremendously and you'd be back to complaining about how those goddamned nullbears are docking up after you roamed for hours rather than sticking around like sitting ducks for you.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-12-19 09:32:48 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Despite the fact that you keep repeating "travel is too quick in Eve" it's still slow as balls to get anywhere, even with jump bridges.

Would you be willing to spend 18 hours traveling to get to the nearest fight? I'm not talking about a battle of the decade type fight, but an average brawl, nothing worth making the news over. Would you?
pussnheels
Viziam
#70 - 2012-12-19 09:41:38 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Buff null!

Nerf Hi Sec!

Buff low sec!

Nerf High sec mining, hauling, industry!

Null sec needs moar of everything!

Take more away from high sec!

Seriously, if it is so bad why do you live there?

Because you are kill mail junkies IMO. You just don't realize or care or understand that quite alot of the players in Eve DO NOT FREAKIN ENJOY LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER ALL THE TIME!

I personally play this game to relieve stress, not to create it. You play your way and if the cess pit you have made of null and low sec is what you want then enjoy.

Some of you spend so much time here on the forums I doubt you play much anyway.


another one of those threads

first people who complain the hardest about null sec are the ones who never go there
; second if you want to enjoy the benefits of null sec you need to put effort into your game , isk will not generate itself ,
third you need to fight for it if you want to keep it

pure and simple

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-12-19 09:43:22 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

So lets say they flip the income around, bottom up and they enable industry to do its thing on par, if not better hopefully than in high sec. Then what?


The idea is that sov holding alliances would rely on players in their space doing stuff that can be taxed in order to earn enough to be sov holding alliances.

Alliances that can retain active members, and keep their space safe enough to due stuff will be prosperous.

Those that don't use their space won't keep it.


Brings an end to the whole deal of gobbling up space just to mine the choice moons (or rent it out to the never ending parade of people who want to give nullsec a try) while a few members farm anoms, and everyone else farms stuff in empire waiting for a CTA.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-12-19 09:46:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Also increasing nullsec travel time would make roaming suck tremendously and you'd be back to complaining about how those goddamned nullbears are docking up after you roamed for hours rather than sticking around like sitting ducks for you.

Andski, always jumping to conclusions. Ugh

Am I really going to have to spell out my sig in full blown detail in some massive article for you to comprehend it to its fullest?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-12-19 09:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
The idea is that sov holding alliances would rely on players in their space doing stuff that can be taxed in order to earn enough to be sov holding alliances.

Alliances that can retain active members, and keep their space safe enough to due stuff will be prosperous.

Those that don't use their space won't keep it.

What does it take to hold sov in a system? Don't tell me guts and glory, tell everyone here what it technically takes to do it, game mechanic wise.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#74 - 2012-12-19 09:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Malcanis wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Nullbears are like inadaptable citizens. They mess up the place where they settle down. Then, after the situation is fubar, they ask for better living. Its not hisec fault that null is at the state as it is. Its not the hisec fault that there is huge paranoia among null dwellers and NBSI policy everywhere. Regardless of this, those savage monkeys bothers CCP to nerf Hisec because they cannot swallow that reasonable and hard-working dwellers of hisec makes more isk than null. Not to mention that null PvE activity exceeds hisec isk making.

Thanks for that helpful racist rant. It really moved the debate along in a constructive way.


So now it is racist rant? I just pointed that its not hisec fault for the situation in nullsec. Truth hurts... i know..

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-12-19 10:04:32 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
The idea is that sov holding alliances would rely on players in their space doing stuff that can be taxed in order to earn enough to be sov holding alliances.

Alliances that can retain active members, and keep their space safe enough to due stuff will be prosperous.

Those that don't use their space won't keep it.

What does it take to hold sov in a system? Don't tell me guts and glory, tell everyone here what it technically takes to do it, game mechanic wise.


Well...

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2009/sov_flowchart.jpg

And then you pay your sov bills.


I'm sure you could have googled that info yourself though.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#76 - 2012-12-19 10:28:56 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Nullbears are like Gypsies. They mess up the place where they settle down. Then, after the situation is fubar, they ask for better living. Its not hisec fault that null is at the state as it is. Its not the hisec fault that there is huge paranoia among null dwellers and NBSI policy everywhere. Regardless of this, those savage monkeys bothers CCP to nerf Hisec because they cannot swallow that reasonable and hard-working dwellers of hisec makes more isk than null. Not to mention that null PvE activity exceeds hisec isk making.

Thanks for that helpful racist rant. It really moved the debate along in a constructive way.


So now it is racist rant? I just pointed that its not hisec fault for the situation in nullsec. Truth hurts... i know..


Unbelievable.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#77 - 2012-12-19 10:37:42 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Nullbears are like Gypsies. They mess up the place where they settle down. Then, after the situation is fubar, they ask for better living. Its not hisec fault that null is at the state as it is. Its not the hisec fault that there is huge paranoia among null dwellers and NBSI policy everywhere. Regardless of this, those savage monkeys bothers CCP to nerf Hisec because they cannot swallow that reasonable and hard-working dwellers of hisec makes more isk than null. Not to mention that null PvE activity exceeds hisec isk making.

Thanks for that helpful racist rant. It really moved the debate along in a constructive way.


So now it is racist rant? I just pointed that its not hisec fault for the situation in nullsec. Truth hurts... i know..


You skipped a lot of good points about null sec facilities being lacking / obsolete and went for the "default" rebuttals.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#78 - 2012-12-19 10:47:29 UTC
And also made a racist generalisation right in his first sentence.

Well anyway, his comment was worthless trash even without the racism, so let's not give it any more attention.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
TharOkha
0asis Group
#79 - 2012-12-19 10:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

You skipped a lot of good points about null sec facilities being lacking / obsolete and went for the "default" rebuttals.


Well first of all i responded to OP (If null sec is so bad Why the heck do you live there????? ). I didnt read posts (back then)
2. I have already proposed many times that null needs buff. But Im just tired of accusations that for this situation is responsible hisec and that it needs nerf Roll
3. I didnt know that word "gypsy" is considered as racist in some countries Shocked So i changed that for another word (inadaptable citizens) because i noticed that my post was deleted. Question

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#80 - 2012-12-19 11:15:12 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

You skipped a lot of good points about null sec facilities being lacking / obsolete and went for the "default" rebuttals.


Well first of all i responded to OP (If null sec is so bad Why the heck do you live there????? ). I didnt read posts (back then)
2. I have already proposed many times that null needs buff. But Im just tired of accusations that for this situation is responsible hisec and that it needs nerf Roll
3. I didnt know that word "gypsy" is considered as racist in some countries Shocked So i changed that for another word (inadaptable citizens) because i noticed that my post was deleted. Question



Saying "gypsy" isn't racist.

Saying that people have negative characteristics and are therefore like gypsies is hugely racist, and it's also inflammatory trolling.

How would you like it if I said "Hiseccers are just like an entitled bunch of [YOUR ETHNICITY], and do nothing but live on welfare handouts and don't even realise how privileged they are"?

Firstly that would be making a hugely insulting generalisation about whatever ethnic group you belong to. Secondly, it would be divisive, inaccurate and wouldn't make anything better for anybody or help anyone understand the situation any better. All I'd have done would be to fan the flames of a profitless slanging match and drowned attempts to have a reasonable discussion.

That's exactly what you did.

You're the problem you say you oppose..

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016