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If null sec is so bad Why the heck do you live there?????

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-18 21:40:37 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
I was essentially born in nullsec. Technically, I started the game at some Pator Tech School in minmatar space, but within a week I was living 99% in nullsec. I go to highsec to buy things and shoot people sometimes.

But now that I'm used to a nullsec lifestyle, I can't really stand being in highsec for any length of time. I know getting weirded out by all the neutrals in every system is all in my head, but aside from Jita I almost never see any one chatting in local. All these people silently doing whatever highsec people do.

And all the aggression rules are frustrating when you are use to being able to shoot any one at any time. I know some people pride themselves on bending these rules for fun and profit, and I appreciate the effort that goes into that. But all these rules are just too contrived for me to really get immersed in it.

Over all, my life in nullsec is more rewarding and more interesting. The isk to me made is pretty good, if you are smart and are willing to put up with some extra effort. And if hostiles show up, I know I can just undock in a combat ship and go shoot them. No mucking around with wardecs or fretting over how to get agro and avoid NPC involvement.



I do think some people are blowing the "nullsec sucks" way out of proportion.

I think some people are frustrated that the only big isk making opportunities available to individuals are pretty much limited to shooting red crosses. Forum warriors love the rebut with "Tech moons" but only part of nullsec has tech moons, and the other moon minerals just barely pay for fuel costs.

And even shooting rats plateaus at a certain point, when the income becomes a matter of luck on loot drops. I've seen plenty of my own corp mates roll alts to do things like datacore farming, FW farming, highsec industry, all because it was more regular and predictable than flying all over nullsec just to pick up some Overseers Effects.

Nullsec is in a rut where the only activities are either (A) doing the gimped sov grind, (B) ratting, and (C) trying to gank ratters. Their isn;t much opportunity to do anything else or ambush people doing anything else.

For an area of the game that is supposed to be wide open and molded by the players, the actual activities available are really quite limiting.

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists
#22 - 2012-12-18 21:44:48 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
I was essentially born in nullsec. Technically, I started the game at some Pator Tech School in minmatar space, but within a week I was living 99% in nullsec. I go to highsec to buy things and shoot people sometimes.

But now that I'm used to a nullsec lifestyle, I can't really stand being in highsec for any length of time. I know getting weirded out by all the neutrals in every system is all in my head, but aside from Jita I almost never see any one chatting in local. All these people silently doing whatever highsec people do.

And all the aggression rules are frustrating when you are use to being able to shoot any one at any time. I know some people pride themselves on bending these rules for fun and profit, and I appreciate the effort that goes into that. But all these rules are just too contrived for me to really get immersed in it.

Over all, my life in nullsec is more rewarding and more interesting. The isk to me made is pretty good, if you are smart and are willing to put up with some extra effort. And if hostiles show up, I know I can just undock in a combat ship and go shoot them. No mucking around with wardecs or fretting over how to get agro and avoid NPC involvement.



I do think some people are blowing the "nullsec sucks" way out of proportion.

I think some people are frustrated that the only big isk making opportunities available to individuals are pretty much limited to shooting red crosses. Forum warriors love the rebut with "Tech moons" but only part of nullsec has tech moons, and the other moon minerals just barely pay for fuel costs.

And even shooting rats plateaus at a certain point, when the income becomes a matter of luck on loot drops. I've seen plenty of my own corp mates roll alts to do things like datacore farming, FW farming, highsec industry, all because it was more regular and predictable than flying all over nullsec just to pick up some Overseers Effects.

Nullsec is in a rut where the only activities are either (A) doing the gimped sov grind, (B) ratting, and (C) trying to gank ratters. Their isn;t much opportunity to do anything else or ambush people doing anything else.

For an area of the game that is supposed to be wide open and molded by the players, the actual activities available are really quite limiting.


Great post and sums up why null sec is appealing to many, but why a good portion of those people decide against it.
Ginger Barbarella
#23 - 2012-12-18 21:48:04 UTC
Because it's empty!

Wait... no, because it's not empty!!

Wait... no, because the lootz is good!

Wait... no, because of the comradery!!

Wait.... no, because of the awesome elite FCs!

Wait... Because it's SUPPOSED to be duh bomb!!!

Yeah, that's it. :)

Oh, and it isn't high sec.

Wait...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-18 21:54:09 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.



Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-18 21:54:17 UTC
For the services provided it would not be unreasonable at all for highsec to be taxed through the roof

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-12-18 22:11:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:


don't quit your day job



... then I wouldn't have any time for EVE.... P

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-12-18 22:15:55 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Actually the current state of null income for line members reflects the risk vs reward there. No buff needed.



Yeah what are the odds of a big powerful alliance losing all of its space, Marlona Sky of NCdot?


No risk there, right?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-18 22:19:05 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.



Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.



Amusing that you just assume you would have zero resistance fighting Razor and FA.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-12-18 22:23:21 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.



Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.



Amusing that you just assume you would have zero resistance fighting Razor and FA.



And so what if we did? Do you think they would jump for joy at the chance to shoot our structures and add Ratting Ship # 376523 to their killboard?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-12-18 22:29:06 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.



Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.



Amusing that you just assume you would have zero resistance fighting Razor and FA.



And so what if we did? Do you think they would jump for joy at the chance to shoot our structures and add Ratting Ship # 376523 to their killboard?

Why bother debating something we both know will never happen. Goons need Razor and FA.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-12-18 22:41:15 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.



Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.



Amusing that you just assume you would have zero resistance fighting Razor and FA.



And so what if we did? Do you think they would jump for joy at the chance to shoot our structures and add Ratting Ship # 376523 to their killboard?

Why bother debating something we both know will never happen. Goons need Razor and FA.



Then change it to some other coalition. I suppose you can tell us how great it was when you guys gave BL the cold shoulder and Ev0ke ditched you.

Doesn't matter what blue list you tear up so long as the dynamics of nullsec remain unchanged. There will be ratters and people shooting ratters and structures and people shooting structures. the only nullsec industries that can be disrupted are moon mining and supercap production, which is _again_ a structure shoot and not something that can be done with a small gang, unless you are in a small gang of dreadnaughts. And the ideas in your sig do nothing but make those 2 rather played out activities a bit easier.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2012-12-18 22:58:41 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Doesn't matter what blue list you tear up so long as the dynamics of nullsec remain unchanged. There will be ratters and people shooting ratters and structures and people shooting structures. the only nullsec industries that can be disrupted are moon mining and supercap production, which is _again_ a structure shoot and not something that can be done with a small gang, unless you are in a small gang of dreadnaughts. And the ideas in your sig do nothing but make those 2 rather played out activities a bit easier.

Structure shooting, the ~true~ player driven emergent gameplay in nullsec.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#33 - 2012-12-18 23:01:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Buff null!

Nerf Hi Sec!

Buff low sec!

Nerf High sec mining, hauling, industry!

Null sec needs moar of everything!

Take more away from high sec!

Seriously, if it is so bad why do you live there?

Because you are kill mail junkies IMO. You just don't realize or care or understand that quite alot of the players in Eve DO NOT FREAKIN ENJOY LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER ALL THE TIME!

I personally play this game to relieve stress, not to create it. You play your way and if the cess pit you have made of null and low sec is what you want then enjoy.

Some of you spend so much time here on the forums I doubt you play much anyway.


The answer is "we don't".

Many of us would prefer to (live in null) , but because of the current state of things, it's easier to just run missions and incursions or afk mine or build stuff in High Sec with little risk of being killed rather than make the same or slightly more isk in null..

You want us to leave you alone, support the Null Sec Independence Movement, which can happen for only a measly 15% of reduction your income and some industry upgrades from CCP. THEN we'll leave you alone.

Of course that means you'll go broke because WE ARE YOUR MARKET (call it the price of your ignorant short-sightedness) , but hey, at least you won't have nerf high sec threads to be forced at gunpoint to read.


You are like my old CD player when it gets stuck at a specific point on the CD and just repeats
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#34 - 2012-12-18 23:14:12 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.


Sounds like you've had the revelation that we like to call "It's Just a Game."

Future symptoms may include interest shifting into a more relaxed play style, one where your log-in hours revolve around the real life instead of trying to make real life bend to the needs of your corp/alliance. Also increased real life pocket money as all of those extra accounts slowly slip down & eventually fall off of your priorities list. Though you on-line friends will see you less your off-line friends will be seeing you more often. People will accuse you of quitting, of not having enough commitment to the game. Ignore those people. You don't need them in your life. Also, you may start to become more tan as you spend more time outside.

This is known as the "casual gaming" way of doing things, a style most often by used by AFK miners & other people how have Stuff to Do™ Do not be alarmed - we are actually one of the largest groups in EvE. We just don't have flags, or mandatory schedules or meetings. There are no real requirements to it, in fact. That's what makes it so popular, by the way - it takes so little of your time.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-12-18 23:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: YoYo NickyYo
Null sec was supposed to be sort of and end game for EVE. Unfortunately it's become more like the corner of the sand box where the cats go poo.
It's boring, much of it is empty. And most high-sec players have no desire to go there anymore. Shocked

Years ago, you couldn't even consider trying to get into most 0.0 gates without a cloak and some skill, now, it's rare to see a gate camp at a 0.0 entrance. This all goes back to lack of people in 0.0, and lack of interest in going there.

I think the only way to reinvigorate Null is to force a fragmentation of power blocs, but I have no idea how to achieve that with current game mechanics.

I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-12-18 23:34:40 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Suppose the CFC all reset each other. Then us Goons could go and gank Razor's ratters and do the sov grind on FA. Changes nothing. Just more of the same with a few less jumps. Still nothing but ratting and structure shooting fleets.


Sounds like you've had the revelation that we like to call "It's Just a Game."

Future symptoms may include interest shifting into a more relaxed play style, one where your log-in hours revolve around the real life instead of trying to make real life bend to the needs of your corp/alliance. Also increased real life pocket money as all of those extra accounts slowly slip down & eventually fall off of your priorities list. Though you on-line friends will see you less your off-line friends will be seeing you more often. People will accuse you of quitting, of not having enough commitment to the game. Ignore those people. You don't need them in your life. Also, you may start to become more tan as you spend more time outside.

This is known as the "casual gaming" way of doing things, a style most often by used by AFK miners & other people how have Stuff to Do™ Do not be alarmed - we are actually one of the largest groups in EvE. We just don't have flags, or mandatory schedules or meetings. There are no real requirements to it, in fact. That's what makes it so popular, by the way - it takes so little of your time.



Oh, I'm already fairly casual about my game play. I've been playing video games for about 30 years now, so I take it all in stride.

But the point still stands that when I get some time to log in and "do a thing", my nullsec options are pretty limited to "lets shoot our enemy's structure" and "lets go harass some ratters", and the ever popular "lets go camp a gate and kill traveling ratters".
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#37 - 2012-12-18 23:39:43 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Buff null!

Nerf Hi Sec!

Buff low sec!

Nerf High sec mining, hauling, industry!

Null sec needs moar of everything!

Take more away from high sec!

Seriously, if it is so bad why do you live there?

Because you are kill mail junkies IMO. You just don't realize or care or understand that quite alot of the players in Eve DO NOT FREAKIN ENJOY LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER ALL THE TIME!

I personally play this game to relieve stress, not to create it. You play your way and if the cess pit you have made of null and low sec is what you want then enjoy.

Some of you spend so much time here on the forums I doubt you play much anyway.

If you don't undock you'll find you don't have to look over your shoulder.

The rest of this looks like blubbery.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-12-18 23:43:10 UTC
YoYo NickyYo wrote:
Null sec was supposed to be sort of and end game for EVE. Unfortunately it's become more like the corner of the sand box where the cats go poo.
It's boring, much of it is empty. And most high-sec players have no desire to go there anymore. Shocked

Years ago, you couldn't even consider trying to get into most 0.0 gates without a cloak and some skill, now, it's rare to see a gate camp at a 0.0 entrance. This all goes back to lack of people in 0.0, and lack of interest in going there.

I think the only way to reinvigorate Null is to force a fragmentation of power blocs, but I have no idea how to achieve that with current game mechanics.


I've seen some people advocate for mechanics that limit holdings to constellations.

But all that would really mean is you only have to go 3 or 4 jumps so gank a ratter or shoot a structure. It doesn't add any other content to nullsec. Never mind that trying to limit the number of official friends a player can have has never worked in any MMO. They just make a ton of alt and feeder clans/guilds/corps and maintain out-of-game ally and NAP lists.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#39 - 2012-12-19 01:29:03 UTC
Quote:
The rest of this looks like blubbery.


Actually it's shrubbery.

Truly what does it boil down to? You get to get kills without a sec hit or Concord? Your life outside of eve is so unfulfilling that you need the "camradery" of a computer game?

I have talked with 3 or 4 different null sec corps over the past couple of years and honestly the more I learned the less I liked them. I have a few accounts including a skilled industrialist, 3 seriously well trained combat guys, and a Jita Tycoon. All have at least 60M SP. I was in the top 10 of RvB for the 3 months I was there. I had alot to offer those corps but I just, well, I don't think I would like it there.

I guess it's partly that there are people who like to build things, create something and others who only want to ruin what others make..the "famous" tear harvesters. It's those people that I feel null sec, and especially low sec are full of. I too thought how grand it would be to be in a large fleet fighting for riches in the vastness of space. Instead I read about giant lag fests, lag as a weapon, spanning convo's as a weapon, bots galore. Certainly not what is advertised.

Oh and the seeing two people who are in big null sec alliances having a measureing contest in this thread tells me alot too.A couple of folks actually had their own good reasons for living in null, most of the rest are just trolls. If the percentage of trolls, KB hoes is that high in null sec, well...no wonder it sucks.

Been playing a little over 4 years and I could prolly play for the next three or so for free with what I have now, getting bored, BUT not bored enough to join lag fests, mandatory fleets and camps (Ughhh).

Maybe I'll look for a good WH Alliance... dunno....I just see ZERO reason to move to null. Even if all the things I do in high sec were totally nerfed, I really think I would just quit before I moved to null. Just too much BS, not fun just BS.

Enjoy your game and I will keep playing mine until I don't enjoy it anymore.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Ryuji Takemiya
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-12-19 01:55:08 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
NULL is like the bad ol' days of the Klondike and the California gold rushes.... so many made the trip... so few actually found what they were looking for.

The foolish, ended up dead along the way.

Some, never came back.

A few, lived to tell about it.

The rest... got out while the getting was good.

The End.

Roll


This. Wait... it sounds familiar somehow. Ah ok, so it turns out that Null is Mordor.