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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2012-12-17 22:02:48 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.



Because most are CFC owned.

Well then I hope you have ultra deep pockets and a few thousand guys. Good luck!


I don't and I don't. My point exactly. Kinda makes the effort moot.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lola Isabel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-12-17 22:03:31 UTC
we have a BC with large guns , lets make a BS with a XL guns for killing structures only Shocked
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2012-12-17 22:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Simetraz wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.



Because most are CFC owned.



So what, Null alliances are projecting there power into high-sec.
That is not exactly a new story.
It still doesn't explain why someone should get the POS for free.
The POS owner has to expend time or ISK to raise there faction to Caldari sense I am presuming this is the space we are talking about. (and that isn't cheap)
And then expend more isk to purchase and drop the tower or towers.

Spend the ISK and war-dec or go find another moon in another system.




I really really wanna see the results of a War Dec between you and a CFC Corp. I really would like to see that.



edit: Also, you are under the false assumption that I am moon-looking. But then false assumptions are the rule of law on these Forums.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Arec Bardwin
#44 - 2012-12-17 22:05:32 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
No, but then NPC corps don't have towers, only player corps can anchor them.
But when a corp is disbanded, the POS that this corp owned will still stay anchored (or has this been changed?). Only way to get rid of it is suicide gank it (lol) or petition gm to remove it
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2012-12-17 22:07:14 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
No, but then NPC corps don't have towers, only player corps can anchor them.
But when a corp is disbanded, the POS that this corp owned will still stay anchored (or has this been changed?). Only way to get rid of it is suicide gank it (lol) or petition gm to remove it



Having them evaporate is the only logical solution, especially if corp disbands and can't be dec'd.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-12-17 22:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
No, but then NPC corps don't have towers, only player corps can anchor them.
But when a corp is disbanded, the POS that this corp owned will still stay anchored (or has this been changed?). Only way to get rid of it is suicide gank it (lol) or petition gm to remove it

Those towers should be able to enter a FFA state.

I don't see anything wrong with being able to hack a tower that's been offline for a month. They could make a specific module, with a high material cost.
Hacking an offline station can give a suspect flag
They could even make it take 15 minutes to get the results of the attempt.

A towere that goes offline for a month or more should be considered abandoned, and as long as someone meets all other requirements, and has some initial cost, I see no problem with allowing abandoned stations to be taken over by someone else.


Edit: Hacking offline stations would even work with the PoS idea CCP has.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-12-17 22:15:10 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
No, but then NPC corps don't have towers, only player corps can anchor them.
But when a corp is disbanded, the POS that this corp owned will still stay anchored (or has this been changed?). Only way to get rid of it is suicide gank it (lol) or petition gm to remove it



Having them evaporate is the only logical solution, especially if corp disbands and can't be dec'd.

No it's not.

Tools are the only logical solution.

Dissapearing structures is just the easy, lazy way around having to do it yourself.
Even disbanded corp stations can be dealt with without CCP simply removing them for anyones benefit.
Ludi Burek
Bairs
#48 - 2012-12-18 01:32:23 UTC
I would be against anything that makes towers magically unanchored or destroyed by environmental effects (LOL). Why must it always be some solution where players do nothing? Roll

Maybe something along the lines of becoming susceptible to hacking when not fueled. And this "hacking" should not be a 5 second affair Lol

From personal experience I found an offline tower few jumps from jita some years back. War decced the obviously dead corp and killed tower to put up my own. Recently when I decided I simply cannot be bothered any longer, I took my labs and just left the tower behind. Within a few days I was war decced and the tower was removed.

Obviously people are out there doing it.

Is it that "effort" thing again that is getting in the way of your goals? Roll
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#49 - 2012-12-18 02:14:34 UTC
Its a very simple solution to annoying problem, and has three possible solutions IMHO:

1) War Dec and nuke the tower

2) Allow multiple towers per moon - 3 to 5 (for low/null place limit on amount resources that can be harvested)

3) Place 90 day inactive timer (either it poof's or remains free to grab for additional 7 days)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-12-18 02:20:08 UTC
Lola Isabel wrote:
we have a BC with large guns , lets make a BS with a XL guns for killing structures only Shocked

No, you live in highsec, a fluffy land.

What if some ~active corps~ started fighting? You wouldn't want the aggressor to be able to easily ~shoot POS~ in highsec, now would you? Of course not, it has to be painful and slow.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2012-12-18 03:14:48 UTC
It would be super cool if we could have some kind of limitation on either the size of tower or the type of defensive modules you can anchor in highsec already?

I think CCP soundwave needs to go and try and kill a properly defended POS tower in highsec. It seems unlikely he'd come away from the experience thinking that the current totally unrestricted nature of POS defenses in highsec results in good gameplay.
Buzz Skywalker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-12-18 04:38:21 UTC
CCP is going to be releasing a major POS change any year now. I'd hope any really long term abandoned towers would get dealt with then if they are bugged such that the players can't.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#53 - 2012-12-18 05:31:50 UTC
You want a tower removed from highsec? Did the ban wardecs?

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#54 - 2012-12-18 12:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: McBorsk
Yes, please! I recently looked for an empty moon for my alt. Jesus christ, I easily checked 100 moons before I found an empty one, and along the way, plenty of offlined towers. Don't make it too easy though. Let's say if you were able to flag a tower for destruction. A notification is sent to the owner. After 4 weeks, if it is still offline, the tower can be destroyed by concord for a fee, depending on the size of the tower. 100, 200, 400m. Something like that would do.
Spurty
#55 - 2012-12-18 12:32:48 UTC
Having them exist so long (indefinitely) in space makes no sense.

Fuel them or lose them to the first person to get a fuel block in.

Declaring a war to knock down a derelict House. Yah that's sensible!

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#56 - 2012-12-18 12:39:40 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


This ^^

If you're unable to get it done yourself, hire a Mercenary Corp. to get the job done. If you cannot do that either then you do not deserve the moon/planet. You have tools available to you, use them.


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Khador Vess
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#57 - 2012-12-18 14:01:44 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


So much this.

If your not willing to fight for something why do you deserve it? Dec the corp and take the consequences or pay someone else to do it.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#58 - 2012-12-18 14:22:09 UTC
Just allow dreads in hisec again.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#59 - 2012-12-18 14:27:14 UTC
Just allow me to undock my Nyx in Jita again.
Uncle Gagarin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-12-18 14:30:35 UTC
Well, it's quite ok now.

1. There is no problem with abandoned/inactive towers removal - just war dec or hire someone else to do it.

2. Removal should not be automatic - it's someones property and there is not so many moons in hisec to make it a problem for server/database

3. IF automatic howeveer than it should be kind of concord action - unanchored and hauled to closest station

4. Having a POS in hisec is not a job for lazy or poor people thus if they want to get free moon or free loot - go to other game
IF they can't invest time to bash dead and unshielded POS - go shoot crosess on a belt.
IF they don't have enough people to bash a POS then go to hell, they will not hold any other for longer than 3 months.
HAving a POS is big deal, it's work for whole corp and need more than one man.
IF any one who wants place at moon can't pay for cleaning it theen it's to early for starting in POS business.

IF someone is to lazy to destroy dead POS or to poor to hire someone he just don't deserve to have own space structure.

IT's so easy now to remove abandoned POS that anyone who is asking for any change is just crying baby.

Anyway - if you seriously want to remove one - send me a message and my group can deal with it for some gratification.
Just remember - we are doing this only against POSes owned by inactive corp. WE don't harm anyone who is running his business right now.