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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-12-17 18:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Just a handful of those Tier 3 BC should be able to reinforce a tower. Maybe throw a couple bombers for good measure. Also maybe some way for SCC to auction off towers that were owned by defunct corporations/alliances.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-12-17 18:55:34 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Definitely been a long term issue.

I think an inactive/offline tower should become un-anchored and available to everyone after it's been offline for a set amount of time. Any player, either in a player corp or NPC corp, should be able to pick up/remove it or destroy/salvage it. Only player corps should be able to reactivate/anchor it.



DMC

How about hacking offline towers to take ownership of them.


CCP creates tools.
This is EVE.

You use tools to solve problems.
CCP shouldn't have to use mechanics to do something a player could do with a tool.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#23 - 2012-12-17 18:56:18 UTC
fukier wrote:
cool you can wardec npc corps now?

No, but then NPC corps don't have towers, only player corps can anchor them.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#24 - 2012-12-17 18:57:29 UTC
Hire a corp to do it for you. They are out there, but being lazy doesn't come cheap Blink
fukier
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-12-17 18:57:32 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
fukier wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


cool you can wardec npc corps now?

even with high sec poses after a month of inactivity being able to be shot its still mind numbing to actually kill one...

how about a new heavy BS class ship? something the size of the freighter but acts like a mini dread...


You can't hold a POS in high-sec if you are in a NPC corp.
IF there are any out there then it needs to be corrected cause it is based on corp standings.



cool was not aware of that fact... i have been asked to do a high sec op before and i just sat there watching tv... never wanted to do it again...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-12-17 19:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Definitely been a long term issue.

I think an inactive/offline tower should become un-anchored and available to everyone after it's been offline for a set amount of time. Any player, either in a player corp or NPC corp, should be able to pick up/remove it or destroy/salvage it. Only player corps should be able to reactivate/anchor it.



DMC

Seems like a lot of special cases to the current rules, not to mention you shouldn't lose the POS to a random bypasser just because someone forgot to fuel it on time. It's still your anchored asset and is still in highsec, so it should be protected like everything else you own. The only thing that needs to change is to allow them to be removed without the normal POS grind, if they're offline.


Good point.

However, the same can be said about secure containers that were anchored at various locations and then left. CCP eventually placed a timer on them (couple years ago) and when the timer (30 days) expired due to not being accessed, the containers are removed from space.

The timer on abandoned inactive POS should be much larger, such as 3 months. That is more than enough time for a Corp to refuel their offline Tower. After 3 months of being inactive/offline, the POS becomes un-anchored and available to everyone to take/salvage/sell it. Only player corps should be able to re-activate it (add fuel) and re-anchor it again at same location without moving it.


DMC


Urgg Boolean wrote:
If a POS is offline and inactive - it should be conquerable. Bring the fuel, fire it up, supply the anchoring rights doc (from the LP store) - tada! You own it !

Kinda like squatter's rights. Real Estate laws in sunny CA are quite clear - you must maintain your property and pay the taxes. If you don't, and somebody else does - they takeover ownership via squatter's right. It's the same concept.

That way, if there is anything juicy in the storage bays - you keep it!

The typical 5-10 hour torching exercise is a serious dysincentive and none of the existing structures or stored goodies can be recycled.





Natsett Amuinn wrote:

How about hacking offline towers to take ownership of them.


CCP creates tools.
This is EVE.

You use tools to solve problems.
CCP shouldn't have to use mechanics to do something a player could do with a tool.


Some very good ideas.

CCP, make it so.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-12-17 19:16:25 UTC
Secure container anchoring was a different situation.
That was abuse of a game mechanic.

Your are talking a few ISK to drop a can at every moon in a system as compared to the price of a Tower.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-12-17 19:26:26 UTC
It's still someones personal property. In my opinion the price of the property doesn't matter. The point is it's not being accessed for a specific amount of time, thus making it abandoned.

DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-17 19:31:07 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It's still someones personal property. In my opinion the price of the property doesn't matter. The point is it's not being accessed for a specific amount of time, thus making it abandoned.

DMC


Ah but my answer was incomplete.
You need zero standings (or there are no standing requirements) to drop a secure container in high-sec.
Effectively someone in a NPC corp could lock up every last moon in a system.

To anchor a tower you need corporation standings and that means you can be wardec'd.
See the difference ?

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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#30 - 2012-12-17 20:22:03 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:

The typical 5-10 hour torching exercise is a serious dysincentive and none of the existing structures or stored goodies can be recycled.


If they can't manage the 5-10 "slog" to burn an existing tower down, then how are they going to handle the boring logistics of setting up and running one? And it's not like there's a lack of available moons out there to put towers on.

Anyway, it's probably a moot point since there's a POS revamp incoming. For all we know the new POS system won't be dependent on moons.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#31 - 2012-12-17 20:25:11 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


Because CCP broke war dec in an attempt to turn it in to an ISK sink.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2012-12-17 20:45:16 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.



Because most are CFC owned.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#33 - 2012-12-17 20:47:20 UTC
Liam Money wrote:
So you want CCP to do your job for you? If you want those towers moved blow them up. If you lack the force to do so, then you don't deserve to have the moon.



Kinda unfair and also not-thinking there.

A single person can have no ship in high sec capable of doing this. Or wasting about 10 hours of time in the effort. Not exactly great ISK per hour there. In fact no-isk-per hour.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#34 - 2012-12-17 20:53:43 UTC
If the shield is down anyone should be able to scoop it up, could make a killing
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-17 20:54:12 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.



Because most are CFC owned.

Well then I hope you have ultra deep pockets and a few thousand guys. Good luck!
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-17 21:17:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.



Because most are CFC owned.



So what, Null alliances are projecting there power into high-sec.
That is not exactly a new story.
It still doesn't explain why someone should get the POS for free.
The POS owner has to expend time or ISK to raise there faction to Caldari sense I am presuming this is the space we are talking about. (and that isn't cheap)
And then expend more isk to purchase and drop the tower or towers.

Spend the ISK and war-dec or go find another moon in another system.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#37 - 2012-12-17 21:23:57 UTC
Pyre leFay wrote:
Ptraci wrote:

Because people are too lazy to fit out a couple Amarr battleships with multifrequency crystals and sit there for 5-6 hours, and would rather "the government" I mean, CCP, do it for them... Cos you know, entitlement and all that.

Because structure grind is soo much fun everywhere else in the game?


Did you want the moon or not? Why should it be "given" to you? Yeah structure bashing sucks, but if you're prepared to do it when someone else isn't, then you get the reward and the other one doesn't.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#38 - 2012-12-17 21:26:13 UTC
Should just make offline POS and Towers salvageable. After a certain amount of time after being offline, they get flagged for salvage, and are open to anyone to salvage. Of course, would be a more complex process than the normal salvaging of wrecks, but would make an interesting form of game play I think. Then again, might just be a dumb idea.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-12-17 21:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Liam Money wrote:
So you want CCP to do your job for you? If you want those towers moved blow them up. If you lack the force to do so, then you don't deserve to have the moon.



Kinda unfair and also not-thinking there.

A single person can have no ship in high sec capable of doing this. Or wasting about 10 hours of time in the effort. Not exactly great ISK per hour there. In fact no-isk-per hour.

Well that's just genius.

My one man corp can't war dec the owner of a station, obviously my one man corp can handle a war dec from someone else, and therefore be able to protect my station.

If you're not capable of removing them, why should you be capable of running one. If you can't remove it then can't stop someone from removing yours.

Think about removing a station as the test to determine if you're suitable to own one yourself.


Just because you have a corp doesn't mean you should be able to access everything every other corp can; especially when your corp consists of you and your alt.

CCP should not remove towers so you can put one up, that's your job.

Untill CCP does the PoS revamp, there is no personal housing in EVE.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-12-17 21:51:22 UTC
Easy solution.

Get a few corp mates together and take it down with weapons. Downside, you have to wardeck the owner, and it's a grind.

Easier solution

Throw some iskies, OK a lot of iskies at a Merc Corp, there are a lot of reputable ones out there, and they will do it for you. You just have to be ready to drop your tower into the freed moon spot.

No broken system, working as intended as a lot of our PvP and pirate players would say, and that is from a self admitted High Sec Care bear