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Towers in High Sec
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Nikeffo
Dead Flesh Corp
#1 - 2012-12-17 17:18:44 UTC
Perhaps a purging in highsec is in order? Lots of anchored towers just floating around, without owners, structures and life, taking up space for new players who wants a tower in profitable systems.

Just a thought
flakeys
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-17 17:22:16 UTC
YUp , mentioned it a long time ago myself.A tower inactive for a month + should just be removed automatically or free to kill for all.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Arec Bardwin
#3 - 2012-12-17 17:22:59 UTC
I agree. Offline towers should unanchor after a certain time, this has been proposed countless times.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-17 17:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-12-17 17:25:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I think if a Tower is off line it should lose its forceshield immediately and the armor and structure should deteriorate over a week or two from unseen small asteroid impacts. When it is gone it breaks up and falls out of Orbit.

Basically fuel your Towers or take them down and don't abandon them, they might not be there when you get back.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-17 17:27:21 UTC
Nikeffo wrote:
Perhaps a purging in highsec is in order? Lots of anchored towers just floating around, without owners, structures and life, taking up space for new players who wants a tower in profitable systems.

Just a thought

If the corp is inactive and has practically no one for members, then war dec'ing them should be very cheap.
Liam Money
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-17 17:33:54 UTC
So you want CCP to do your job for you? If you want those towers moved blow them up. If you lack the force to do so, then you don't deserve to have the moon.
Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-12-17 17:39:31 UTC
Liam Money wrote:
So you want CCP to do your job for you? If you want those towers moved blow them up. If you lack the force to do so, then you don't deserve to have the moon.

As long as people do the required upkeep then taking down a Tower should require just the force you say they should use. That way the "Laziness" would work both ways. If you want to hold a Moon so someone else can not use it then spring for the fuel.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2012-12-17 17:41:53 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


Because people are too lazy to fit out a couple Amarr battleships with multifrequency crystals and sit there for 5-6 hours, and would rather "the government" I mean, CCP, do it for them... Cos you know, entitlement and all that.
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-17 18:30:54 UTC
Ptraci wrote:

Because people are too lazy to fit out a couple Amarr battleships with multifrequency crystals and sit there for 5-6 hours, and would rather "the government" I mean, CCP, do it for them... Cos you know, entitlement and all that.

Because structure grind is soo much fun everywhere else in the game? I think CCP should make the effort in limiting the amount of structure grind to only instances that are necessary. Such as onlined and operational buildings. Ones failure to upkeep shouldn't be a punishment to your time, in any sec specially low class wormholes.

Not that moons will be a big deal in high after the POS revamp and the ability to perhaps place them almost anywhere. But like abandoned anchored cans, CCP should do something to keep space from being littered with abandoned equipment when the change comes.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-12-17 18:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Definitely been a long term issue.

I think an inactive/offline tower should become un-anchored and available to everyone after it's been offline for a set amount of time. Any player, either in a player corp or NPC corp, should be able to pick up/remove it or destroy/salvage it. Only player corps should be able to reactivate/anchor it.



DMC

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-17 18:38:07 UTC
Because structure grinding is literally ****, I am personally for an offline tower having very little in the way of HP and resists. You should not be able to hold a moon location just by virtue of having a tower anchored; it should have to be fueled.

However, I can confirm that four very bored guys with 50 mil ISK, two Oracles, an Abbadon, and a 'Geddon can take down an offlined Dread Guristas large tower in @ ten hours, so it's not like there's no solution out there.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-17 18:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Pyre leFay wrote:
Ptraci wrote:

Because people are too lazy to fit out a couple Amarr battleships with multifrequency crystals and sit there for 5-6 hours, and would rather "the government" I mean, CCP, do it for them... Cos you know, entitlement and all that.

Because structure grind is soo much fun everywhere else in the game? I think CCP should make the effort in limiting the amount of structure grind to only instances that are necessary. Such as onlined and operational buildings. Ones failure to upkeep shouldn't be a punishment to your time, in any sec specially low class wormholes.

Not that moons will be a big deal in high after the POS revamp and the ability to perhaps place them almost anywhere. But like abandoned anchored cans, CCP should do something to keep space from being littered with abandoned equipment when the change comes.


Then pay someone else to do it.
And with enough people it take very little time.

High-secs biggest problem and perhaps the key to fixing null is that alliances in high-sec really have nothing to hold them together.
A corporation in High-sec means everything first, alliance whatever as long as it is convinient
So if you want something done you go to a strong corporation not an alliance with 100's of small single player corporations in it.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
fukier
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-17 18:43:35 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


cool you can wardec npc corps now?

even with high sec poses after a month of inactivity being able to be shot its still mind numbing to actually kill one...

how about a new heavy BS class ship? something the size of the freighter but acts like a mini dread...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#15 - 2012-12-17 18:45:10 UTC
AFK towers are worse than AFK cloakers, C/D?

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-17 18:46:05 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Definitely been a long term issue.

I think an inactive/offline tower should become un-anchored and available to everyone after it's been offline for a set amount of time. Any player, either in a player corp or NPC corp, should be able to pick up/remove it or destroy/salvage it. Only player corps should be able to reactivate/anchor it.



DMC

Seems like a lot of special cases to the current rules, not to mention you shouldn't lose the POS to a random bypasser just because someone forgot to fuel it on time. It's still your anchored asset and is still in highsec, so it should be protected like everything else you own. The only thing that needs to change is to allow them to be removed without the normal POS grind, if they're offline.
Ginger Barbarella
#17 - 2012-12-17 18:47:35 UTC
Nikeffo wrote:
Perhaps a purging in highsec is in order? Lots of anchored towers just floating around, without owners, structures and life, taking up space for new players who wants a tower in profitable systems.

Just a thought


Have at it! Let me know where you'll be blasting war dec'd towers and I'll bring the popcorn!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2012-12-17 18:49:00 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


High-sec dec'ers are typically afraid of biting off more than they can chew. If it's a small tower, awesome! If not, they risk being around too long when a countering force arrives.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-17 18:54:38 UTC
fukier wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
There is a system you can use to purge a tower if you want that moon.
War dec them.

It doesn't take much to take out a offline tower.
Just time and some ISK.

I don't understand why people are so against using this route.


cool you can wardec npc corps now?

even with high sec poses after a month of inactivity being able to be shot its still mind numbing to actually kill one...

how about a new heavy BS class ship? something the size of the freighter but acts like a mini dread...


You can't hold a POS in high-sec if you are in a NPC corp.
IF there are any out there then it needs to be corrected cause it is based on corp standings.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-12-17 18:54:50 UTC
If a POS is offline and inactive - it should be conquerable. Bring the fuel, fire it up, supply the anchoring rights doc (from the LP store) - tada! You own it !

Kinda like squatter's rights. Real Estate laws in sunny CA are quite clear - you must maintain your property and pay the taxes. If you don't, and somebody else does - they takeover ownership via squatter's right. It's the same concept.

That way, if there is anything juicy in the storage bays - you keep it!

The typical 5-10 hour torching exercise is a serious dysincentive and none of the existing structures or stored goodies can be recycled.
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