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Tis the joy of giving.....Bounties

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Kalishka Ulsguld
Sebiestor Tribe
#1 - 2012-12-17 01:08:11 UTC
New citizen here and so far I am really enjoying New Eden. I have been poking a little more around the forums and found some very interesting articles regarding Bounties (reasoning both for and against). So I decided to throw my clones hat into the ring.

Recently I manufactured a line of autocannons and began selling them in Minmatar space. I'm sure you'll agree, a good place to sell autocannons.

Anyway I found that after a few hours, my sales dried up. Confused, I took a peek at the stations prices. I was undercut by a single Isk per unit!!! Naturally, I snipped in at an Isk shorter than my autocannon rival, only to find two hours later, he slashed me again!

Once more, and only once more did I undercut, watching the boards to see if anything should happen. This time, I risked it by 20 Isk. He laughed at my attempt to fatten my wallet and usurped my plundering prices. So, I decided to take action. I purchased one of his (inferior Evil ) autocannons and looked up the seller. I placed a 500k (I'm new) Bounty on his head and send him a (polite) personal message stating that if he undercut me again at that station, I would increase the Bounty.

less than 48 hours later, I received a notification. My eyes lit up, as did my smile when it read that my Bounty had been dealt with!

In short, Bounties arn't just for pirates and thieves. By all means, those who harmed you deserve every Isk of their Bounties. However. they also make a wonderful intensive for others to wipe out ones own market competition. In this case, that person hurt my profit, I paid someone else to hurt him. Of course, my profit margin is a little lighter than initially planned, but I see it as a long term investment. I now have one less competitor at that station when it comes to pricing.

Underhanded, of course. Unlawful, not at all. We can still kill off competition and remain law abiding citizens. I'm sure my target stuck rigidly to the law, but that was not what I had against him Cool
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-17 01:11:27 UTC
My bounty isn't high enough. Add more.

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Ginger Barbarella
#3 - 2012-12-17 01:14:31 UTC
This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty?

Go back to Hello Kitty.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Kalishka Ulsguld
Sebiestor Tribe
#4 - 2012-12-17 01:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalishka Ulsguld
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty?

Go back to Hello Kitty.


It worked Smile

Edit: Besides, I felt the Bounty warranted an explanation.

Edit Edit: I've never played that game, do you recommend it? Ugh
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#5 - 2012-12-17 01:21:02 UTC
so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?

competition is the least of your worries
you should invest in an accountant

Kalishka Ulsguld
Sebiestor Tribe
#6 - 2012-12-17 01:22:55 UTC
Morganta wrote:
so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?

competition is the least of your worries
you should invest in an accountant



Lol 500k, not 500m!!!!! I would certainly need my head examined if that was the case Shocked
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2012-12-17 01:25:18 UTC
Kalishka Ulsguld wrote:
Morganta wrote:
so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?

competition is the least of your worries
you should invest in an accountant



Lol 500k, not 500m!!!!! I would certainly need my head examined if that was the case Shocked


even 500k.. point being you spent more than you were losing

how much product do you need to sell now to make up for that?
and the guy will still undercut you BTW
Kalishka Ulsguld
Sebiestor Tribe
#8 - 2012-12-17 01:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalishka Ulsguld
Morganta wrote:
Kalishka Ulsguld wrote:
Morganta wrote:
so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?

competition is the least of your worries
you should invest in an accountant



Lol 500k, not 500m!!!!! I would certainly need my head examined if that was the case Shocked


even 500k.. point being you spent more than you were losing

how much product do you need to sell now to make up for that?
and the guy will still undercut you BTW


Already bounced back. I was selling in a station where the prices were high (much higher than a few jumps away). I started selling at 20k a pop, reduced it to a little lower now but seeing as I had 300 to begin with, my balance is still good Big smile

Edit: Maths aside, the point of this thread was laying out (in my view, at least) why Bounties can be useful against lawful citizens. Not reserved for the criminals lurking in the shadows
Aziesta
Ternary Solntse Industries
Xagenic Freymvork
#9 - 2012-12-17 01:38:54 UTC
With all due respect, what you experienced was a coincidence. Bounties, especially something as little as yours, do not motivate people to kill other people. It's not like someone says "oh, hey, you don't have a bounty, we'll let you through our gate camp." Generally, the bounty is just an added tip for a kill, not the reason it happened.

Not saying it's not satisfying to see the notification when someone you dislike gets killed, it totally is. But chances are they would have died whether you'd put 500k, 500 mil, or nothing on their head.
Etherealclam
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-17 01:59:49 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
With all due respect, what you experienced was a coincidence. Bounties, especially something as little as yours, do not motivate people to kill other people. It's not like someone says "oh, hey, you don't have a bounty, we'll let you through our gate camp." Generally, the bounty is just an added tip for a kill, not the reason it happened.

Not saying it's not satisfying to see the notification when someone you dislike gets killed, it totally is. But chances are they would have died whether you'd put 500k, 500 mil, or nothing on their head.


This. No one cares about a 500k bounty. NO ONE.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-17 02:13:16 UTC
OP - Don't worry about those that want to you to think bounties don't work.

For all you know one of the posters could have been your competition.
And besides if you had fun then priceless Big smile
Merouk Baas
#12 - 2012-12-17 03:19:05 UTC
Well, if the guy was a trader and he died (bounty or not), then he probably died to a suicide attack and lost a cargo full of trade goods, which would make it a pretty bad loss for him, which should make you giddy with glee, as that actually hurts.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#13 - 2012-12-17 03:23:51 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Well, if the guy was a trader and he died (bounty or not), then he probably died to a suicide attack and lost a cargo full of trade goods, which would make it a pretty bad loss for him, which should make you giddy with glee, as that actually hurts.


so now you can pay to get a fake sense of satisfaction when someone gets killed even though your part had absolutely nothing to do with his death?

welp.. it is the video game generation after all...
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-17 08:03:04 UTC
Nice story.

However, imo the Bounty system is flawed, able to be easily exploited by griefers just for spite.



DMC
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-17 08:09:30 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Nice story.

However, imo the Bounty system is flawed, able to be easily exploited by griefers just for spite.



DMC


Griefing is a bannable offence. If you have proof of someone griefing, you should report them. If they don't get banned then it's not griefing.

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Torakenat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-12-17 08:27:14 UTC
This is why I love eve :D

It doesn't matter if the killmail was intended for the bounty or not...or even if the bounty worked to curtail the competition.

The fact of the matter is, someone had an issue and resolved it with the bounty office.

The reasons before are no different than before other than its easier and transactions are more secure than before the bounty system.
Dave Stark
#17 - 2012-12-17 08:39:26 UTC
i like the new bounty system, it let me bounty some one who had terrible song lyrics in their bio. when i pointed this out other people agreed with me.

long live the new bounty system.
Kalishka Ulsguld
Sebiestor Tribe
#18 - 2012-12-17 10:53:12 UTC

Simetraz wrote:
OP - Don't worry about those that want to you to think bounties don't work.

For all you know one of the posters could have been your competition.
And besides if you had fun then priceless Big smile



Merouk Baas wrote:
Well, if the guy was a trader and he died (bounty or not), then he probably died to a suicide attack and lost a cargo full of trade goods, which would make it a pretty bad loss for him, which should make you giddy with glee, as that actually hurts.



Pretty much this Big smile
Pretty GuyYeah
#19 - 2012-12-17 10:57:25 UTC
Etherealclam wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
With all due respect, what you experienced was a coincidence. Bounties, especially something as little as yours, do not motivate people to kill other people. It's not like someone says "oh, hey, you don't have a bounty, we'll let you through our gate camp." Generally, the bounty is just an added tip for a kill, not the reason it happened.

Not saying it's not satisfying to see the notification when someone you dislike gets killed, it totally is. But chances are they would have died whether you'd put 500k, 500 mil, or nothing on their head.


This. No one cares about a 500k bounty. NO ONE.



Wrong. People will hunt you even for 100k.

Post with your main.

A legend walks among us, a genius so significant he so dares to degrade himself as camouflage when you dispute.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-12-17 10:57:57 UTC
OP: It may have largely been a coincidence, but it was the right thing to do in spirit. Good job! Big smile
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Nice story.

However, imo the Bounty system is flawed, able to be easily exploited by griefers just for spite.
How is it being exploited?
What kind of griefing are you talking about, and why aren't you reporting it (since griefing is a bannable offence around here)?

Ginger Barbarella wrote:
This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty?
Welcome to the world of cut-throat competition. GB2HK if you don't like it.
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