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There are multiple ways any carebear, in any space, can be completely safe if they're intelligent. Local however doesn't require any intelligence beyond the ability to tell if that name in the little box on your screen has a blue mark next to it or not.

I'm not throwing my hands up here, and I don't really support the idea behind this thread, of asking CCP to alter the new mechanics. What I do support is a change to the Local channel as an intel gathering tool, and the recent AI changes have exacerbated this need.

Sry in advance for the wall of text.



I agree, it should be about the fights. However, you should not be forced into having 2 or 3 alts behind you in an indy corp to supply your PvP habit. FW was a stand alone career field before the ninjapatch.

The frogs didn't "decide" to own the space. They had their plexing zones, the caldari had their own. Small scale plex ambushes were fun and great for solo or small gang warfare. Huge battles still happened. Both sides had their plans for taking systems IAW CCP's announced plans. There would have been some seriously epic super-cap fights the two weeks before that patch.

I (and most others) would have been cool with the Ninja patch if they had reverted all zone control to pre FW states. Then the battles would have started on even footing and the best strategy and FC's would have won. No doubt you disagree, and that's fine.

You talk about when Damarr held all the systems? Correct me if I'm wrong, but one still got 100% of the non-reduced LP amounts running plexes back then, before the zone control penalties kicked in, right? Now, you get 75% LESS than the already REDUCED LP's because the zone control was ninja'd in under that previous patch. It was a massive handicap that is quite impossible to recover from. The isk to buy the new ships needed for such as massive push under the game mechanics of today are simply not there if you're under T1 and your opponent is T4. This is fact, and is evidenced by the number of pilots and alliances bailing out of FW. I'm sure CP can fid those number quite easily, but I can tell them of at least 2 alliances and a few corps of over 700 pilots who've already left.

So again, people and alliances who are pure PvP (Those without industry alts/corps) are leaving, as the cost to stay and engage in one of the most enjoyable parts of EVE, is simply too high.

Pretty soon FW will be the gals/min's in full control of 99% of the space, reduced to pure piracy for fun.


More damage against small ships???
Clearly you're not a missile fighting pilot. They do a whole hell of a lot LESS damage against BC/BS/Cap's and almost ZERO damage against smaller ships. Maybe you should read up on the changes a bit more.... HM's are pretty much useless.

How's things at CCP headquarters? I can only assume you're an alt since you're clearly speaking of something you obviously have no clue about....


Maybe some people who play the game like doing things solo. Maybe they work odd hours and their friends aren't on as frequently during those times as they are. Maybe some of us are anti-social pricks who after talking on a radio all damn day or are around people flapping their gums non-stop like the peace and tranquility of going out solo. The patch screws these people. EVE is supposed to be open for ALL TYPES OF PLAYERS. Not just "Your Type" or "My Type".


Did I miss where we were all paid beta testers? of COURSE not many people went onto the test server.
1) It's another 12 gigs of sh*t I don't need on my computer.
2) Time spent there means time NOT spent on tranquility=lost income.
3) I kinda/sorta expect the damn game developers to test out their own sh*t. That's kinda their job.
4) An incentive for play-testing on the test server would have gotten a whole hell of a lot more people on it. Like how about a mod of your choice for x hours of time or completed missions, or time spent on the server being automatically added to your sub time on tranquility. Otherwise, my response, like most others is "Do your job CCP".
5) All the "get a buddy" comments. Sometimes we come to a game for the solitude and "tranquility" it provides, a means to get away from forced personal interaction while still doing something fun. (Another space game forced this on it's players about 2 years ago. it was a HUGE disaster that destroyed the player base and killed the game. Be careful forcing everyone to into the social mold.) I don't like getting on TS at 3am after a 10hr shift.... Please don't tell me I have to if I want to play this game, because that's ********.



I have a T1 rail fit Naga that does more DPS (instant DPS no less) to a vastly greater range (190+km) than my T2 HM fit Drake did. The HM's were just fine. The Drakes EHP could have used some slight nerfing, along with it's cap or a maybe pull a low or a mid, but the HM's were not the issue. If they were, then the rats would have had their nerfed down as well......

So, the Drake was fine because its 7 medium launchers didn't do as much damage as 8 large turrets with bonuses to both damage and optimal range?

OK.

How did your Drake stack up to, say, a rail Ferox?

Tbh Caracal was always good, it just didn't really compare to some of the other races. Really alot of the T1 cruisers were good before this patch, it was just that Thorax's and Ruppies were so much better, and honestly I'm glad they changed that. I agree w/ the T1 logi buff, but the role bonuses are just outright insane. They either need to not be able to rep that much at that range, or keep the range and not rep as much. Giving them both the range and rep of T2 logi's is just batshit.

No you dont, if you do you wont be talking wrong things from Missiles.
Overdamage ? When u dont have chance to hit the fast and small target with heavy missiles ????
You can have chance to kill fast target with all gun type if you brake your target angular velocity if you have enough speed, but no chance to kill with HM. So, forget talk from theoretical thing. This is the true experience.
Try to kill with your heavys now a Stiletto or other fast long range tackler when you are alone in your drake.
Impossible with your "theoretical" 0 damage if a good pilot catch you (and your drones will be useless too)
Because the pilot can kill your warrior 2 easily and the drones lost their damage range when they turning off their MWDs.
And thx but i dont want to try the caracal, that was good ship 7 years before too, when i flew with them and overdamaged a munnin onn a phoon killmail.so they dont needed any changes. The main problem is the unbalanced drake, not the weapon system.
1.5 years ago when CCP finally balanced the HM, they found a good balance, but now they are ruined again them with a bad solution.
They nerfed them again and the HMs useless against the fast targets.

I agree on the missles generally, but the drake was never unbalanced, people were just ********. Drakes are easy to kill and always have been. Most lowsec pirates make their living killing cocky drake pilots.

Just a question, If the drake is not unbalanced why thats just the only one BC which can made the hardest lvl4 missions and the others is not ?
Because unbalanced. Their tank is, ridiculous strong compared with others. 240hp/sec (2700HP/11.25sec) passive shield recharge ? LOL

A BS with two large repairer can repair 1600HP/11.25 sec. You think about this its a normal thing ???
I dont think so.

Depends on it's fitting. Like any other ship against any other ship in EVE. All ships had their niche, and all could be adapted to branch out as it were, based on crazy or unique fittings. I can fit one for 390dps with rails if I go with a mini glass cannon fitting. Or I can fit it to do enough damage to eventually break the buffer of a PvP fit Drake (pre nerf) while being able to tank the alpha of the incoming missiles. It'd be a hell of a long fight though.



For the people saying the drake is over-tanked: I agree.
But with that as a given: Why kill off the missile system that's not unique to the Drake?

That's like saying a mustang is too fast, so lets drop the 5 speed tranny from all the cars and trucks in the world. It makes no sense. **If** the SHIP is the issue, then deal with the SHIP, not a weapons system used by that ship and dozens of others as well.


If drakes solo'ing level 4's was an issue, take away a mid slot and deal with their tank. Or lower it's passive recharge.
If they were doing too much DPS, take away a low slot, tweak their calibration or modify the ships bonus.
Deal with the SHIP and *HOW* it can be fit, not with the weapons system itself.


Everyone who's come on here to defend the missile nerf has cited the drake. That tells me (and should clue CCP in!) that people didn't have a problem with the missiles, but the platform they were being launched from. De-Nerf the missiles and nerf the Drake a smidge then.


They did EXACTLY that with the Hurricane. They didn't go and nerf the range and damage of the arty, right????
They nerfed the FITTING of the hurricane to bring the SHIP in line. Which is what hey should have done in this case as well.

This explains it right and just! X))))