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DerArt1st

Doomheim

Likes received: 34

#1221 - 2012-12-10 09:28:15 UTC | Edited by: DerArt1st

Arduemont wrote:

DerArt1st wrote:

Arduemont wrote:

DerArt1st wrote:

Playericons doenst get shown correctly. Where are all those bounties / suspects?
Tabs / Overviewsettings borked.
Killrights are shown that are not available and if they cost "0" isk you find yourself 250 Mil. poorer.

I agree with this much of your post. And the rest is complete rubbish. As for why do we need these changes? The new crimewatch has fixed many many issues with the way PvP used to work. Things people have been complaining about for years.

Yea can still 1 vs 1, technically. Get a suspect flag outside a busy station, and then dock up. Wait for the suspect timer to run very close to 0 and then undock. Whoever managed to engage you before the timer runs out will have a limited engagement with you. Now, dock back up and get a suitable ship to kill the 1 or 2 people who managed to lock you with no interference from anyone else.

Edit: Anyone who tries to aid the people now in a limited engagement with you will get a suspect flag, and will be killed by everyone else around the station. 1 vs 1s, now working as intended.

Enjoy.

I allready know this but thanks anyway. Does this not look complicated to you? Think about what ccp tried to archive with changing the flagging system -> they tried to make it less complicated and better to understand. I dont know what you think but "if i take something from you then you can shoot me" is much easier to understand as that what we have now.

Yea, except with the old System neutral logi or remote boosts could just turn up and ruin your day. Now they can't. Also, no it's really not that complicated. Not as complicated as trying to figure out whether someone is actually willing to 1 vs 1 in the old system.

Yeah, its good that they gave aggression for repping. But that could have be done in the old system aswell.

Another point is: Why did they remove killrights when u kill somebody in lowsec? That means killrights will be much less common so less to shoot for bountyhunters. And why did they convert all killrights into the new system without resetting them? Isnt that a bit unfair to all the others?

CCP Punkturis

C C P

C C P Alliance

Likes received: 5,769

#1222 - 2012-12-10 10:19:27 UTC | Edited by: CCP Punkturis

Wigster Atild wrote:

Cayle Deteis wrote:

Can you explain the new Bounty system logic?
Everyone putting bounty to anyone.
wtf logic is that?
I thought bounties are consequence of illegal actions,
instead
I found myself with a bounty on my head as many-many other ppl.
Issue is not the prize but why is allowed.
I think there is a need of fixing that.
Security status and crime actions must be connected with this.
Not an open bounty system.....It's crazy

Its been days since a Dev bothered to even give the company bull-crap let alone bothered to listen to or reply to its paying community..

Petitions regarding the bounty office have been completely ignored too.. CCP REMOVE YOUR COLLECTIVE HEADS FROM YOUR ASS'S AND TALK TO YOU COMMUNITY..

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO LIKE THIS NEW BOUNTY OFFICE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO OTHER PLAYERS... GO FIGURE WHY THAT MIGHT BE.....

you were posting over the weekend, that might be why you haven't gotten reply but also because your concerns and similar have been replied to a multiple times (did you read all the pages in this thread? because I did and I've been replying many times)

but here is the reply from Lead Game Designer CCP Soundwave

CCP Soundwave wrote:

How are you defining who is innocent? Is an alliance leader that's never fired a shot but orders thousands of players to go out and kill others innocent? How about the industrialist that builds guns? The definition of innocence is one that I don't want to tie to a single mechanic. You people decide who you think are innocent and who you think are not.

btw if you type louder, maybe people will hear you over the weekend

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥

MotherMoon

Tribal Liberation Force

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 1,517

#1223 - 2012-12-10 10:35:16 UTC

CCP Punkturis wrote:

Wigster Atild wrote:

Cayle Deteis wrote:

you were posting over the weekend, that might be why you haven't gotten reply but also because your concerns and similar been replied to a multiple times (did you read all the pages in this thread? because I did and I've been replying many times)

but here is the reply from Lead Game Designer CCP Soundwave

CCP Soundwave wrote:

btw if you type louder, maybe people will hear you over the weekend

well In all my years. That's an epic dev smackdown.

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MotherMoon

Tribal Liberation Force

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 1,517

#1224 - 2012-12-10 10:39:59 UTC

Brenten007 wrote:

Bounties can now be placed from anywhere in the game, not just the Bounty Office in stations. Bounties on the same character go into a joint pool, same as now. The minimum ISK amount for placing a bounty is increased from 5k to 100k. Also, bounties can now be placed on anyone, we’re removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.

First off, placing a bounty is fine but placing a bounty for no rhyme or reason can be consider and exploit. If you have never met the person nor have never encounter this person and yet they place a bounty on you for laughs can be an exploit. I got a 100k bounty on me from Winter Unicorn and I have never met him. What an ass hole! I place one back but like he cares. Probably going to have his friend blow him up in expensive ship with no mods and collect all the bounty for himself and split it with his friend and laugh it all the way to the bank or use another account. I don't think there is any the bounty system will ever work in this game. Plus if the ship is insured, they are going to recover the money from destruction. So, he won't lose much on the ship because of the insurance and if he mined and manufactured it himself will drop to actual cost. The rest of the bonus will come from bounties and his buddy will split the profits with. Talk about fraud.

Bounty pools are eliminated and a portion returned to those that contributed to the pool if the target has been inactive (unsubscribed) for a long time.

Well here is my solution, I will quit eve until you fix this, wait until the my current time runs out, and go back to wow. No subscription money for you ccp.

Look, there should be some restrictions on placing bounties, if not, we will have an epidemic of bounties giving to every player in this game for no good reason. I think placing the -1 security sec, had your stuff stolen by player, killed in high sec, or been attack by player can be some good reasons for the restrictions. Also if your going through low sec, then anyone can put a bounty on you than that would be fine too.

I pray Winter Unicorn gets kill in a head on accident in RL. ******* Jerk!

but it can be considers an exploit and you can get a gm to remove it if its a real case. Once people start getting banned they will stop.

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Terrorfrodo

Interbus Universal

Likes received: 768

#1225 - 2012-12-10 10:49:55 UTC

Shinzhi Xadi wrote:

Korinne:

The T2 ships haven't been redone yet. They are doing all the T1 ships first, after that the T2's will be done. That is why the T2 logi seem out of balance now, the T1's were super buffed, and the T2's haven't been updated to match.

Just be patient.

I also hope this is true. I also assume, or hope, that this is a deliberate and rather wicked scheme by CCP. They are buffing cheap T1 ships so extremely that the disadvantage of even very new players compared to veteran players is all but wiped out. That way they hope to get a massive influx of new players.

Then after a few months, the T2 ships are rebalanced and hopefully buffed, and the overpowered T1 ships possibly toned down again a bit. That will appease the veteran players, and the now-not-so-new newbies have had time to catch up on skills and will also be happy that the T2 ships they will now be able to fly shortly are becoming useful again.

That's what I hope is the logic behind it. Of course I could be wrong and they just screwed all vets for no reason :)

DMoney Corp Fraternity. 24
CaiIyn Dove DMoney Corp Fraternity. Likes received: 24	#1226 - 2012-12-10 11:08:31 UTC I read your text wall and found you are actually only complaining about the new kill right system, or it is the only point you made some sense to support your tittle "EVE Retribution: Bugs, removed features without replacement, ove...". Bad post. Please try not to conclude something that bigger than your capacity.

Scaramanga Erquilenne

Likes received: 99

#1227 - 2012-12-10 11:19:58 UTC | Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne

Thanks for the info about how things work.I read the blog on release and what they are basically saying is we cant be bothered to upkeep the music player any more sort it out your self. I would be fine with this if i got a reduction in subs but that's not the case.

The reasons they gave make no sense what so ever .its only redundant for the people who never used it that's a fact.For those who did use it its a removal of a major feature in game .Why not remove the calculator notepad web browser as well ? they are all features that are available outside of eve

Fact is they cant give one good reason for its removal ,The only people that defend them on this are the people who never used it.So its easy to come on here and belittle people and say they are ranting .But i know for sure that if a major in game feature was removed that they enjoy they would do the same ,Any paying customer is entitled to do such a thing and by the way when i payed for my subs i never seen and Notice about a plan to remove the jukebox.I dislike 20% of the tracks in game and i don't want to alt and tab are use a separate programme .CCP just ruined the immersion and music for me

You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

Likes received: 18,382

#1228 - 2012-12-10 11:24:40 UTC

DerArt1st wrote:

Hi,

i'm not pleased with the latest patch to be honest. Its more like a patch that has broken like 500 things. A small summary:

Overview lagging behind like 3 seconds sometimes.
Playericons doenst get shown correctly. Where are all those bounties / suspects?
Tabs / Overviewsettings borked.
Killrights are shown that are not available and if they cost "0" isk you find yourself 250 Mil. poorer.
You are getting suspect if you are touching anything in wrecks without any need to get it out actually. Touching is enough and you will find yourself suddenly spanked.

Before this patch we had small consentual engagements between players in highsec. Often these were 1vs1 or small fights between corps. It was a nice playground for newer players and these that dont like 0.0 or nullsec. This feature got removed completely without any replacement.

How can i try my fitting / ship with a friend? Should i go to lowsec so i get minus standing for engaging against concordrules or to 0.0 where 15 people can jump on us while we are trying?

Why does "touching" something out of a can give everybody in the whole system rights to kill you + kill your pod? Its a bit like in medival times. This should lead to a limited engagement between players and not to that suspect **** where u get punished very heavily for a minor crime.

But with that, eve would be like prepatch so the question is: why do we have that feature in the first place. Who asked for it and why did ccp not use the time to address core problems?

Is there any reason why i should make myself a suspect at all? Any benefit? The whole crimewatch feature is laughable in my oppinion and should get removed or completely reworked. Why aren't u getting killrights for kills in lowsec but If i shot someone accidently in highsec i get concorded but i also get hunted by players afterwards? Even if nobody died on my accident? Thats well thought out.

CCP: Thats just what i found in 2 days of playing and i really wonder why i should pay you for that stuff.

Well you should be in 0.0, we're staging from LGK- in Stain

Drop me a mail if you need your stuff jumped up from hi-sec & I'll help out.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Di Mulle

Likes received: 108

#1229 - 2012-12-10 11:24:52 UTC

Seay Prime wrote:

Guys guys... slow down... everybody know's that the new bounty system just simply sucks! The real difference it made was just ruining your portrait that's all... Carebear or not everyone in new eden now has a fixed "WANTED" script written below their portrait. The real issue is the hundreds of billions worth of isk just sitting there as frozen cash for the sake of profit maximizing by ccp. Imagine you put 100m on someones head and they fly around in a regular cruiser... How many times would they have to be killed for that pool to dry up? the real answer is "it will never dry up" it's just good jucy isk sitting there for nothing. CCP made a big pool of "unavailable" money so the isk making scheme became even harder. i had a friend who got 400m stolen from corp wallet by an untrustworthy person... In an attempt to get back some of the money or to make it hard for that person to play freely she put a 100m bounty on his head. What have happened since? totally "NOTHING"... so that's 500m isk now...

Conclusion: THE WORST PATCH EVER TO BE RELEASED IN EVE.

Complete absence of logic there is simply amusing...

<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>

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Dztrgovac Likes received: 42	#1230 - 2012-12-10 11:28:44 UTC Come on CCP, this is 2nd patch and I still don't see "Faction warfare NPCs will no longer shoot at drones owned by players from their own militia". I know you hate drones but come on, throw us a bone here.

Ptraci

3 R Corporation

Likes received: 2,122

#1231 - 2012-12-10 11:29:11 UTC | Edited by: Ptraci

DerArt1st wrote:

How can i try my fitting / ship with a friend? Should i go to lowsec so i get minus standing for engaging against concordrules or to 0.0 where 15 people can jump on us while we are trying?

While I agree with most of your post, and there are a number of issues to be fixed, the above is not an issue.

Your subscription includes access to the test server. Read up on how to join it. Go test your fittings there. You will be left alone, unless you specifically want combat by going to the only legal "non consensual" combat system.

Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 13
Caldain Morrow Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 13	#1232 - 2012-12-10 11:37:39 UTC The salvage drones are awesome for us explorers but, it seems the description indicates that yous houldn't have to tell them to go salvage every wreck individually?

Nobue Saikawa

Fiscal Devination

Likes received: 2

#1233 - 2012-12-10 11:46:49 UTC

Overall retribution is fab really impressed with how relatively trouble free it was in its installation.
I really don't like a lots of the new sound effects, the gun shot in a tunnel every time a rat dies really get on my nerves.

Why did you not apply some love to the drone interface, you are really bad to screw mission runners over with the new AI and leave them with a piece a crap like that work with.

The tagging system is another piece a crap that needs some love.

Love the over all rebalance cheap effective PVP is good

Over all good job love this game Cool

Caldain Morrow

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 13

#1234 - 2012-12-10 11:54:11 UTC

CCP what happened to my click to centre ability while probing? I'll grant it was annoying when you clicked on something in the overview and you'd centre the system map on it but at least i could centre on a probe or the point is was scanning and get centred. Now there's nothing. Make it so you can right click in your results to centre on the signature you're scanning?

DerArt1st

Doomheim

Likes received: 34

#1235 - 2012-12-10 12:00:16 UTC | Edited by: DerArt1st

Ptraci wrote:

DerArt1st wrote:

How can i try my fitting / ship with a friend? Should i go to lowsec so i get minus standing for engaging against concordrules or to 0.0 where 15 people can jump on us while we are trying?

So u are telling me that the feature that worked fine before got removed and everybody that just wants to have a consentual fight in empire has to install multiple gigabytes of patches to connect to the testserver? Seriously, no.

One-man Armada 95
Chicken Pizza One-man Armada Likes received: 95	#1236 - 2012-12-10 12:00:41 UTC 2 For the love of God, CCP, GET RID OF THAT SHIP EXPLOSION SOUND. Sounds like a freaking door slam echo, and it makes me feel like I'm in a giant, echo-ey room, all alone...or so I think.


DerArt1st Doomheim Likes received: 34	#1237 - 2012-12-10 12:10:52 UTC Awaiting CCP reply. Are you aware of the issues i mentioned? Any plans to change something?

Rotten Legion 3,200
Arduemont Rotten Legion Likes received: 3,200	#1238 - 2012-12-10 12:10:56 UTC 1 CCP Punkturis wrote: btw if you type louder, maybe people will hear you over the weekend Thank you Punkturis. Thank you a thousand times. +1,000,000 internetz to you. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 94
Lysa Riay Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 94	#1239 - 2012-12-10 12:15:17 UTC 3 Still dont see any "Klang" or Pizza removal Could Klang take the (now rotting) pizzas & the launcher out as they leave the building plz.

Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2,368
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,368	#1240 - 2012-12-10 12:25:25 UTC Trinity Windu wrote: New "crimewatch" sucks. I shoot rats, takes me 5 minutes to log off? WTF? Hell I even killed them. I like the feature since it shows how long, but 5 minutes, damn. Try a minute. It should force you to dock tbo, or just leave your ship in space until you come back. ~ Professional Forum Alt ~