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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#941 - 2012-12-07 01:01:14 UTC
So, are there any plans from CCP to even look at maybe the NPC AI is a bit too aggressive? I don't mind the drone aggro, it's the full room aggro that really gets to me when you bring your drones back in when they are targeted. Asking because if there are no plans to even look at it, not gonna renew my accounts when they expire. No real reason to If I cannot make the isk to outpace the price of PLEX because missions are taking 2-3 times longer due to warp outs and so on.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#942 - 2012-12-07 01:08:17 UTC
The new direction at CCP, since our revolt against Incarna, has been to surreptitiously, and more often just obviously, make the game harder and harder to make ISK and easier to lose assets. Face it.

Notice also that CCP *promised* that they would listen to us. Hardly. It has been a losing battle. Until now.

I pay for my subscription. Every month I hand-over my money. And, now, that isn't good enough? It will be necessary to *also* buy PLEX to fund my losses.

We lost the revolt.
Ehdward Spengler
Diplomatic Immunization
#943 - 2012-12-07 01:16:13 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Ehdward Spengler wrote:


Just make a playlist in your audio player of choice. I suspect a lot of people did that anyway and didn't bother with the dated jukebox. You can't play Spotify in the jukebox for example. It simply didn't offer anything you can't get from any one of the hundreds of audio players/services out there. I understand that you may have liked the control inside the client and that was certainly handy but it was so crusty and keeping it up to scratch seems like a bit of a waste of development resources.


What are you talking about "keeping it up to scratch"? The jukebox hasn't been worked on as far as I've played this game, it was a working feature that hadn't been touched in years and had no reason for fixes and certainly not removal. What game are you talking about???

Minimizing the client to select music is BS. The jukebox was a fantastic feature for this game, any music artist would agree, it promoted music creation and sharing with the community. Now that's dead. If you had any appreciation for composing music you would understand the frustration. Is as if the CCP sound/music devs got intimidated by the creativity of the community and is now forcing you to only listen to their narrow selection of music which will be repeated over and over until you turn off in-game music too.


I wasn't trying to get you all riled up. It just seem like that big a deal to me. I'm sorry. A lot of people seem attached to it. Personally, I didn't use it much.

As for it having anything to do with composing music, I don't see the connection. If people were creating music specifically for the game that's cool. I don't see why removing the jukebox would stop it. I'm a music composer myself. I've been doing it for 20 years. Industrial, Metal, Ambient and game music. Currently I'm working on a scifi themed electronic/trance/dnb album. The lack of an in game jukebox doesn't affect me one way or another.

Maybe they'll put it back in. It wouldn't be the first time the put a feature back that was removed.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#944 - 2012-12-07 01:19:11 UTC
Nice how all the positive responses for the game come from "players" with like 0-1 Likes in the Forums.

Just how many Alts you guys have at CCP?
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#945 - 2012-12-07 01:21:10 UTC
Excuse me? Where have you been?


Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Maybe they'll put it back in. It wouldn't be the first time the put a feature back that was removed.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#946 - 2012-12-07 01:22:09 UTC
Cordo Draken wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
3BEPEB wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.
oh yeah! try to play music from soundcloud in ingame browser /0\ LOL
great decision!
... I would play it with my favourite system browser Smile


Hello,

I am not even so much daring.

I'd be happy to be able to start 4-5 clients and only 1 of them running the music. No can do as of now, I get all musics played overlapped => a pain.

Since apparently I am the only multi-client player AttentionAttentionAttention, I'd settle for having an option somewhere to let me turn off the in game music but still listen to the new and beautiful log in screen music.

No can do either.

So, what am I meant to do? Just play a silent EvE? Cry


LOL what? Dude, you do realize that after you log all ur alts in that you can hit 'Esc', go to Audio and use the music slider to silence the music on all but ur main account... Right? Was that so difficult to do? To figure out? If that was too hard for you, you have a lot more issues in Eve than just sound.

Don't troll 'em, took me 15 minutes to figure out how to end in-game music which will probably never be turned on again. In fact it took me that long, using the in-game search help feature which told me to click the jukebox icon on the left ui bar (still!), then looking again and again for the icon, wondering where it was moved to. They didn't even bother to update the help system, just ripped out the jukebox forcing us to listen to their in-game music and when to listen to it or find a way to turn it off. Too many trolls in this thread, arguing against any good concern.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#947 - 2012-12-07 01:27:07 UTC
And, well worth my $15.


Riazal wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
CCP must let us know *NOW* wht the Christmas present(s) will be. If any, this year I suspect a lump of coal.

If the present isn't something absolutely spectacular, my subscription dies now, and they don't even get the benefit of one extra month. However, just to be clear, the subscription will be cancelled.

This just gives them an additional month of income during which their devs can find new jobs, as I suspect there will be a huge number of cancelled subscriptions. Again.


pax ammaria part 2Big smile
Ehdward Spengler
Diplomatic Immunization
#948 - 2012-12-07 01:44:50 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Excuse me? Where have you been?


Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Maybe they'll put it back in. It wouldn't be the first time the put a feature back that was removed.



Ship spinning came back.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#949 - 2012-12-07 01:47:23 UTC
I want to just take a step back on this new drone aggression. And, let's just listen to what CCP has told us.

*All* drones now use SLEEPER AI.

What?!!! Even L2/L3 (!!!) mission drones now have SLEEPER AI. (I haven't tried L1 missions.) Hell, I have 8.8M SP in drones, and I lose my drones left and right now in L2/L3 missions. (No chance in hell I'll fly an L4 mission now.) I fly drone boats regularly, and I can't manage them anymore.

And, a new player is suppose to deal with SLEEPER AI.

There is something obviously, seriously, medically wrong with you people.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#950 - 2012-12-07 01:48:19 UTC
WHEW!!! And, thank god for that one!



Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Excuse me? Where have you been?


Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Maybe they'll put it back in. It wouldn't be the first time the put a feature back that was removed.



Ship spinning came back.
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#951 - 2012-12-07 01:53:52 UTC
Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Excuse me? Where have you been?


Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Maybe they'll put it back in. It wouldn't be the first time the put a feature back that was removed.



Ship spinning came back.


Yea and that took a damned revolt almost.
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#952 - 2012-12-07 01:58:38 UTC
The new UI for when jam's proc is crap, it's too hard to see as opposed to the old UI. Yea it's nice to see which jammer did it, bit if im using a full rack of one kind of ecm, then what good does that do me?
Riazal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#953 - 2012-12-07 02:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Riazal
o/'

kk just been doing angel anomalys in my drone boat for the last 1.5 hours..

here are the stats Cry

bountys = 31.5mil
corp tax = -3.15mil
-1 t2 heavy drone

1.5 hours = 27.5mil wow

t2 fitted cta bs= 350/450 =over 24hours grind

the drone boat is no more... :'(

and that sound when you kill a rat.... omg pls remove it from game....
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#954 - 2012-12-07 02:20:25 UTC
Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Ehdward Spengler wrote:
I understand that you may have liked the control inside the client and that was certainly handy but it was so crusty and keeping it up to scratch seems like a bit of a waste of development resources.



http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n572/the_grand_artificer/The-Most-Interesting-Man-in-the-Worldcopy.jpg

As opposed, of course, to spending development time making us listen to the same thing over and over every time new content is added?


Or you could just use Foobar, Winamp, WMP, iTunes, Spotify, Rdio, VLC, Songbird, Media Monkey, etc.


I don't see how so many people could have a problem with this but have no problem ignoring the in-game voice feature and turn to TS or Mumble instead

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#955 - 2012-12-07 02:26:03 UTC
Ehdward Spengler wrote:
There are clowns putting 100,000 isk bounties on everyone in sight. Now if someone wants to take shots at me so be it; it's EVE, there is no 100% safety anywhere. But the whole point of bounties is undermined if EVERYONE has one on them. That's just nonsense. I think CCP have a bit more refining to do on the new system.


I believe their plan is on track, and I'm not talking about CCP.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#956 - 2012-12-07 02:29:16 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I want to just take a step back on this new drone aggression. And, let's just listen to what CCP has told us.

*All* drones now use SLEEPER AI.

What?!!! Even L2/L3 (!!!) mission drones now have SLEEPER AI. (I haven't tried L1 missions.) Hell, I have 8.8M SP in drones, and I lose my drones left and right now in L2/L3 missions. (No chance in hell I'll fly an L4 mission now.) I fly drone boats regularly, and I can't manage them anymore.

And, a new player is suppose to deal with SLEEPER AI.

There is something obviously, seriously, medically wrong with you people.


That's not what they said at all. Does anyone bother to read the dev blogs before posting?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#957 - 2012-12-07 02:33:14 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
The new direction at CCP, since our revolt against Incarna, has been to surreptitiously, and more often just obviously, make the game harder and harder to make ISK and easier to lose assets. Face it.

Notice also that CCP *promised* that they would listen to us. Hardly. It has been a losing battle. Until now.

I pay for my subscription. Every month I hand-over my money. And, now, that isn't good enough? It will be necessary to *also* buy PLEX to fund my losses.

We lost the revolt.


We'll see how the war goes. If this is not just a bunch of mistakes, money grabs end poorly.
Oraac Ensor
#958 - 2012-12-07 02:38:43 UTC
Ehdward Spengler wrote:
Just make a playlist in your audio player of choice.

Only viable if you like a totally silent login.

Just thought I'd point that out yet again.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#959 - 2012-12-07 02:39:19 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
The new direction at CCP, since our revolt against Incarna, has been to surreptitiously, and more often just obviously, make the game harder and harder to make ISK and easier to lose assets. Face it.

Notice also that CCP *promised* that they would listen to us. Hardly. It has been a losing battle. Until now.

I pay for my subscription. Every month I hand-over my money. And, now, that isn't good enough? It will be necessary to *also* buy PLEX to fund my losses.

We lost the revolt.


We'll see how the war goes. If this is not just a bunch of mistakes, money grabs end poorly.




As someone that makes just over a billion isk within a 48 hour period, frequently, I can assure you that there are still ways to make money. Just because it isn't "easy" doesn't mean you can't find a way to make it easier. Besides, EVE was never meant to be easy.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Riazal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#960 - 2012-12-07 02:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Riazal
Remiel Pollard wrote:


As someone that makes just over a billion isk within a 48 hour period, frequently, I can assure you that there are still ways to make money. Just because it isn't "easy" doesn't mean you can't find a way to make it easier. Besides, EVE was never meant to be easy.


why do i feel like your one of the jita scammers.....