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Stormchyld
Trinity's Passing
#881 - 2012-12-06 16:56:41 UTC
Matham Gwynne wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Urgg Boolean wrote:
This change affects a lot more than just missions. Incursions should be affected too.
No, it doesn't change anything about incursions. They already have the new AI.

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I remember someone saying that if you use drones in wormholes, you need to use T1 and bring LOTS of spares. Is that what it's gonna come down to?
No, because people quickly realised what else you could do to make the Sleepers hate you more than they hated your drones.

Ewar, remote support, and just a watchful eye should keep them safe enough.


You do realize that the devs asked for feedback on whether the new AI was too aggressive or not, right? Bitching at people (as you have been doing) for doing exactly what was asked for, seems a little odd to me.

As for EWAR, etc., with drone boats: Yes, that is a possibility. Fit a shield transporter on your Rattlesnake, and, if your light drone is about 8 km or less away, you can rep its shield as it takes damage. Assuming only one drone is taking damage, you don't mind reducing the engagement range of your sentry drones (requires link augments), or eliminating your (admittedly pathetic) missile DPS, since these things all take high slots, or EWAR in mid (where you need shield and drone tracking already). And ignoring, of course, that rep range is so short that recalling a light drone takes less time than locking it and firing up the rep. And you need both EWAR and Rep on the same Rattlesnake, with limited high slots that you already need for other things.

On the other hand, I LOVE the idea of making the Rattlesnake into a "mini carrier". Dump the missile slots, give it a bonus to EWAR and/or Rep range, etc. Rely completely on drone DPS with the thing. Really make it into something cool, not just a Domi with a massive overtank and micro-DPS from missile launchers. I already love the look on the thing, now make it badass in that manner and it'll be my go-to ship again!

The point isn't that "whaaa, my Rattlesnake sucks because I can't play". It's:

A) Devs asked for feedback
B) My Machariel is now so much better than my Rattlesnake, on the exact same missions, that it's ridiculous, even with more skills points in drones than in turrets. Twice the missions in half the time, where it used to be just slightly faster, and the R's overtank made certain encounters (Damsel, for example) more relaxed, which made up the difference.

Rattlesnake and Machariel are both pirate faction battleships. Both used to work beautifully for me, and be quite fun to fly, on L4 missions. Now the Rattlesnake is annoyingly complex to fly, expensive if rats gets excited about light drones, and (because of all the "call them back home again" cycles) very slow to complete missions.

Not at all catastrophic. But definitely annoying.

Maybe I'll sell the Rattlesnake and get a Nightmare instead. Just for the heck of it.

Either way, I can still fly the missions. But I still think the AI change was overdone by a bit. It's not a bad thing, just too much of it.


+1 (k if I could)
Lord Christian
Sternen Krieger
#882 - 2012-12-06 16:59:23 UTC
if this will not be fix i m quiting this game
i mean this is bad
i did train my carrier skils for 9 months and now it take me more time to kill anything whit drones
then maybe they need remove drones from game becos they dont use for nothing now
i miss old eve
Vim
Kicked.
Shadow Cartel
#883 - 2012-12-06 17:02:10 UTC
Overall this looks good but...
I will now paste my fellings on the safety switch per ship.
[17:00:08] Vim > ******* STUPID SAFETY PER SHIP ******* ******** PIECE OF IDIOTS MADE THAT IDEA
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#884 - 2012-12-06 17:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Korinne
Rek Seven wrote:
@ CCP - The ORE frigate is a great looking ship with great speed and a nice warp strength bonus but do you think it's fit for purpose?

You claim it's an entry level ship but it involves someone sinking over a week of training time to get it to its full potential. After a player chooses to move onto a better mining ship, all those skill points practically go to waste. Sad

To make the ship viable to new and old players, please either increase its gas mining bonus or change the mining upgrades to also affect the gas mining amount.

That is all Bear


1 week of training is entry level, hell one week of training is pittance to any pilot over a year old. The real problem is that the thing is way better at combat than it is at mining.

Edit: Also, it's a frigging frigate, how the heck much do you want it to mine? It's only supposed to be one step up from a glorified mining drone.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#885 - 2012-12-06 17:06:15 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Either it's new or I hadn't noticed before, the Show condensed combat log switch - for losses the Name column shows my name, which seems totally useless. Shouldn't it show the Final Blow name?


it's probably always been like this. it makes more sense in the corporation kill reports list


This is for me. What do I care about management?

Big smile




you can now see all the corporation kill reports, it used to be only directors but it's now opened for everybody

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#886 - 2012-12-06 17:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Korinne wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
@ CCP - The ORE frigate is a great looking ship with great speed and a nice warp strength bonus but do you think it's fit for purpose?

You claim it's an entry level ship but it involves someone sinking over a week of training time to get it to its full potential. After a player chooses to move onto a better mining ship, all those skill points practically go to waste. Sad

To make the ship viable to new and old players, please either increase its gas mining bonus or change the mining upgrades to also affect the gas mining amount.

That is all Bear


1 week of training is entry level, hell one week of training is pittance to any pilot over a year old. The real problem is that the thing is way better at combat than it is at mining.


My point was that all other frigates are a x1 skill and those are also prerequisites for cruisers and t2 variants... Maybe CCP will do a t2 version but that will be a long way off i think.

For now i would like a boost to the Venture or preferable, a change to the mining upgrades so that there is more variation in the fitting.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Mikhail Nehalem
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#887 - 2012-12-06 17:11:53 UTC
Is there a reason that the "Safety" resets if you log out / log back in? Is this a bug?
WheatGrass
#888 - 2012-12-06 17:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: WheatGrass
Nene Ryuseika wrote:
....stupid.jpg
(in post #859)

nerfed.jpg Twisted
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#889 - 2012-12-06 17:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Ribikoka wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

No. The whole purpose of WHs is higher risk and higher reward. You think lvl4 AI is hard? You really haven't fought the sleepers yet.


You dont heard the message, you voice of CCP troll ? HTFU and bye.


All I'm getting out of your argument is "rar rar rar put on your tinfoil hat"

Cry some more. If I was CCP, according to your own paranoia, don't you think I would have booted you off the forums by now? And lol at accusing me of trolling and doing the exact same thing anyway.

I heard the message just fine. Through all the crying, it's the same message over and over again - more crying that level 4s are too hard!! Boohoo!!

Still no evidence that I'm CCP, though, I see.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#890 - 2012-12-06 17:32:55 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Why was I the only member of the Boob Brigade who was had a forced re-render of their portrait to remove the sideboob? I demand an explanation...or a large sum of isk...or a hug (to help stop the tears) or something lol


Did you at least take a photo first??

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#891 - 2012-12-06 18:07:26 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
realmkiller wrote:
I hate this new expansion ive been doing level 4 missoins i used to be able to do them solo can no longer do that anymore my drones get ripped apart by the new upgraded AI the npc's are now as hard as sleeper drones ive found the same problem doing exploration sites as well what used to take 15 or 20 mins to do a site now takes over an hour and the pay off isnt even worth doing the sites im a pretty good drake pilot and im not happy with the drones getting teared up and the npc's repping faster than i can kill them i like fighting solo and i cant really do that anymore i dont want to have to be in a group just to play this game im seriously thinking about not playing anymore


Well i guess it's time to move to WH space or null sec for you... Either that or run lvl 4's in a BS like they were meant to be run Smile


The "like they were MEANT to" is a CANCER for a sandbox game.

Why would people even play a sandbox game if it has to become a canned experience? At this point they could as well switch to a free to play piece of junk and follow the canned experience in there.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#892 - 2012-12-06 18:14:36 UTC
Tangsu wrote:

Removing the Jukebox might have been easier for you than leaving it in, but at what price? Loss of a measure of goodwill from customers, because it makes you look out of touch, or worse.


The fun thing is, that the jukebox was so totally basic that rewriting one from scratch and "up to date" would probably take 2 days. It's not like it was WinAmp or using 3rd party plug in architecture or similar.

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jack morrigan
red vine industrial services
#893 - 2012-12-06 18:14:40 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
jJohn Morgan wrote:
How do i sum up how i feel about this EXPANSION EASY : On the 3rd December i parked my "mercedes S class" in its hanger and when i came back the next day the CCP fairy had turned it into a "second hand volks wagen polo" complete with a tacky paint job and furry dice hanging from the mirror. CCP do you think we are all stupid ? and for **** sake look up the word "expantion " in a dictionary this is the last straw


I think, actually, that the person who needs to look up the word "expansion" in the dictionary, is you.





hello hello someones brown noseing for a staff posittion,
mever mind the spelling or the gramer it't the sentiment that counts
Matham Gwynne
Rocky Mountain Twins
#894 - 2012-12-06 18:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Matham Gwynne
By the way, I like the salvage drones. Had no problem using them on my L4 missions from my Machariel. It's usually only a few hundred thousand extra ISK per mission, but it'll add up over time.

I could fly my Noctis out and salvage+loot, but I find that tedious. Being able to salvage from my mission-running ship is very nice.

Even with just 1 point in the new skill, L4 battleships salvage fast enough to be worth it. Will be faster as I skill it up, of course, but even now it's a very nice feature.

Thanks to whomever pointed out that untargetted command to salvage will turn it to auto. I missed that when I read the dev blogs and patch notes. Good hint. Haven't tried it yet, but will next time I sign on.

Edit: Tried it. Works. Thing of beauty!
Olga Ivanovna
Doomheim
#895 - 2012-12-06 18:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Olga Ivanovna
This damned "beeep" every time I start shooting an NPC... please get rid of it, or make it optional. Very disturbing!!

Edit: Hey, there are "beeps" for a lot of things! It annoys the hell out of me, please make it optional. Playing without sound now :(
Mail Lite
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#896 - 2012-12-06 18:31:43 UTC
Loving the update so far, think all the new stuff is working well and LOVE the new sentry gun mechanics and criminal tags/countdowns. And so far the changes to the Ruppie and Thorax are great!

2 things I'm not sure on.

1. Not loving the new damage indicators on the selected target. I don't think it's as clear as the old 3 green bars for Shield/Armor/Strusture but sure I will get used to it.

2. The other thing is the safety button. I PVP, only reason i play... and alot of that is done without the other persons consent and in dangerous situations so I turn the button to red when I am out. I have noticed however that the damn thing keep resetting to green everytime I log in.

Can we please have your setting saved? Like when you turned of safety notifications before the patch... u didn't have to do that everytime you logged in. Can we have the same here??

I know it's a small thing but I missed killing a carebear in a mission because of the silly 'are you sure' message cause i forgot to set it to red.

Thanks

Mail
Vasp en Thielles
Blue Space Manufacturing N Research
#897 - 2012-12-06 18:36:33 UTC
Angelica Scatterbrain wrote:
Whoever at CCP thought all these new "features" were a good idea needs their balls cut off. How is that for feedback?


Seems fine for me.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#898 - 2012-12-06 19:49:10 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Why was I the only member of the Boob Brigade who was had a forced re-render of their portrait to remove the sideboob? I demand an explanation...or a large sum of isk...or a hug (to help stop the tears) or something lol


Did you at least take a photo first??


Yes. Yes, I did.
VonKolroth
Anarchist's Anonymous
#899 - 2012-12-06 19:56:13 UTC
I'm seeing a lot of mission bear tears,.. I hope this means many bots were broken... Bear

Sent from my Gallente Erabus Titan on -FA- SRP
Furtiva
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#900 - 2012-12-06 20:01:04 UTC
Wes Maggs wrote:
I'm sure its actually a 'feature,' but the selected item highlighting box (now circle) is too faint to be useful. One of the better parts about it is that it would help separate what you're selecting from the clutter around it, it doesn't do this anymore.

Agreed.