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Neodell
Caldari Advanced War Technologies
#841 - 2012-12-06 13:32:56 UTC
tettenman1971 wrote:
What is it with laptops?

When i try to log in i get a black screen and thats it!!!

That cant be right.....

Fix this CCP



Same problem! I used to get 50 FPS in station now it's 19!!!!!!! WTF!
Everything is on low settings, nothing on laptop has changed only eve.

Noticed 10% increase in memory usage as well.

Eve is unplayable at moment until this is fixed, lucky my desktop is unaffected.
Syri Taneka
NOVA-CAINE
#842 - 2012-12-06 13:34:57 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
Looks like you haven't been shopping lately for new skills, under Electronics. Take a peek at the new Sensor Compensation skills. The Caldari died in this expansion, apparently missiles and ECM were undeserving of any role in the game.

I guess, the Gallente got a huge whack in the head too: forget those drones now.


Syri Taneka wrote:
CaptCommando wrote:
Just saying but with the new ecm sensor skills u just basically made the ecm drones useless as the heavy's only have like 2 or 2.5 jam strength a piece so now there kinda useless even for ecm boats. with a carrier as the exception maybe since u can use like 12 of them at a time. i don't know if that was intended or not but that means unless your in a ecm boat and are using ecm mods u cant jam your way out from being killed. which means your now basically done for where as before u had a chance. just another way to promote mass blob warfare. a single person has no chance at running now


Oh noes! Your large drones now only have an 8.8% chance (each) to jam my drake (with level 5 compensation) instead of the old 10.5% chance (a 16% efficacy reduction)!

(Yeah, for those of you who weren't aware, jam chance does not stack additively; each jammer or jamming drone has its own chance to jam. While enough jammers too weak to autojam will approach a 100% jam chance, this is an asymptotic relationship - the only way to achieve true 100% jam is to have ECM stronger than the target's sensor strength.)



No, I accounted for those when I ran those numbers (hence the 'now' and 'old' chances) . I even picked the Drake because it's a classic. But I can go compare other ships.

Thrasher: 9 (old), 10.8 (new). 22% jam chance (per EC-900 drone) old, 18.5%/drone new. 16.6% efficacy loss (okay, I rounded that down yesterday).
Vagabond: 14/16.8. 14.3%/12%. 16.6% efficacy loss.
Sacrilege: 15/18. 13.3%/11.1%. 16.6% efficacy loss.
Myrmidon: 18/21.6. 11.1%/9.2%. 16.6% efficacy loss.

Re-ran the Vagabond with numbers from my Falcon fit (12.9521 racial jam strength), and, sure enough, 92.2%/76.9%, 16.6% efficacy loss.

So a 20% boost to sensor strength is only costing you 16.6% of your per-jammer chance to jam. Is that going to change up the battlefield a little, yes. Is it the end of the world? No.
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#843 - 2012-12-06 13:38:53 UTC
Toi Algaert wrote:
So have any dev's commented on the monumental balls up over drones yet?, Or are they still ignoring the player's ( yeah us that pay there wages )



Evidentially not, would be nice if they did Ugh
Maresse en Tilavine
#844 - 2012-12-06 13:41:10 UTC
robbyx wrote:
Jukebox seems to have disappeared, asked a couple of corpies who also said that couldnt find it....although i did read the patch notes i may have missed if is a known issue.

This. Sad

I was sad when I found it has disappeared. I hope it gets put back in place soon. What?
Morugnir
Shell from Hell
Verged
#845 - 2012-12-06 13:42:24 UTC
Canceling your subscribes is way to tell CCP your opinion, I guess.
So i did.

Let the butthurt flow through you...
Riazal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#846 - 2012-12-06 13:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Riazal
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Toi Algaert wrote:
So have any dev's commented on the monumental balls up over drones yet?, Or are they still ignoring the player's ( yeah us that pay there wages )



Evidentially not, would be nice if they did Ugh


guys im a drone boat myself... but you can thank drone afk/bots for this... man up move on cos i can not see much getting done about this...its ccp's plan to get drones out of ratting


move onto the next thing untill that gets nerf'dBear

but it would be nice for a dev to say so or tell me im wrong to put and end to all the post's on drones this drones that...

talk to us...just let us know ccp...
Jognu
French Kiss Singularity
#847 - 2012-12-06 13:47:58 UTC
tornpain wrote:
"The limit for corp hangar divisions in stations was increased to 1500 items."

This is false; we used to be able to stack 10,000+ blueprints in corp hanger divisions. Since you can't invent out of cans, large invention-style corporations need to be able to stack thousands of blueprints in a single hanger division to invent out of.

This change makes it very inconvenient for large-scale inventors with thousands of BPCs. I'm honestly not sure why this change was necessary.

+1 for this.

With this limit we have to put all the BPC in cans, and when we need them for a job, we have to get them out of the can before being able to do so.

EveAI developper: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21803
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#848 - 2012-12-06 13:54:34 UTC
Retribution 1.0.2 wrote:

Market

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    • Thank you.

    Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene.
    Stormchyld
    Trinity's Passing
    #849 - 2012-12-06 14:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Stormchyld
    Riazal wrote:
    Jack' Sparrow wrote:
    Toi Algaert wrote:
    So have any dev's commented on the monumental balls up over drones yet?, Or are they still ignoring the player's ( yeah us that pay there wages )



    Evidentially not, would be nice if they did Ugh


    guys im a drone boat myself... but you can thank drone afk/bots for this... man up move on cos i can not see much getting done about this...its ccp's plan to get drones out of ratting


    move onto the next thing untill that gets nerf'dBear

    but it would be nice for a dev to say so or tell me im wrong to put and end to all the post's on drones this drones that...

    talk to us...just let us know ccp...


    There is a thread about how the team in charge knows the drone AI is fubar, but insisted on putting it forward anyway: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155703

    There is also a... dare I write it ... exploit (shudder), or workaround ... or bug (that CCP devs know about but again, pushed it anyway so they could *fix* it later) ... so when does the ban hammer come down on people doing this..... ummmm .... thing?
    The undock your drones, let take slight dmg from "known drone AI screw up" immediately dock them then undock and go about your business w/o worry about further damage, utter destruction of drones? If I commit this act of intentionally using a bug, altho using bugs is an exploit, and thus a bannable offence 3 weeks from now do my 3, 6 year old 90m SP titan pilots get screwed because, all of a sudden they've "Gloriously Fixed The Unpopular Known Drone AI F**k-up.... All Hail The All Knowing Devs"????

    Yes, some answers would be swell.
    Jack' Sparrow
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #850 - 2012-12-06 14:03:22 UTC
    Riazal wrote:
    Jack' Sparrow wrote:
    Toi Algaert wrote:
    So have any dev's commented on the monumental balls up over drones yet?, Or are they still ignoring the player's ( yeah us that pay there wages )



    Evidentially not, would be nice if they did Ugh


    guys im a drone boat myself... but you can thank drone afk/bots for this... man up move on cos i can not see much getting done about this...its ccp's plan to get drones out of ratting


    move onto the next thing untill that gets nerf'dBear


    I can understand that something had to be done about it but making drones get blown to bits within seconds was not the solution.
    Remiel Pollard
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #851 - 2012-12-06 14:07:12 UTC
    Stormchyld wrote:
    Spugg Galdon wrote:
    Wowzers there are some care bear tears in here.

    First of all. The Hurricane needed a nerf along with HML's which were way over powered. The Hurricane is still a very good ship. The Drake is also excellent and falls in line with the other BC's.

    Second. PvE in EvE is evolving. It needs to otherwise content becomes stale. PvE is to become more like PvP and crying about these changes to NPC AI is rediculous. Adapt or die. You can still use drones just manage them properly. I don't struggle so why do you? Also, why not take some risks to make money and leave hi sec?

    Third. Sound FX being poor. I agree that sound FX may be poor in some cases.

    and last. Where were all you whining wingebots when all this stuff was on the test server and all the dev blogs, dev forum threads and news and testing and feedback was going on? If you can't be bothered to keep up and then wet your nappies when D-Day happens then you'll get no sympathy from me. If you want sympathy it's in the dictionary. Somewhere between shite and syphilis.



    Thanks for the input, troll. I DO live in nullsec 4 days a week pal ... these drone issues are there as well. Perhaps you ONLY live in a frig ... if so fine, that's YOUR CHOICE ...... try flying a gallente ship now... in anoms... in 0.8 .. BOOM... no drones .... You MUST reside in a place in null where the market has 3m drones for sale... most DO NOT.

    and for someone complaining about whiners... you do a great job of it yourself.


    Wot?

    I just flew a 4/10 anom (Phi-Serpentis Outpost) in a Gallente ship with no trouble.

    What I've noticed is that there are a lot of people complaining on the forums that are actually quite new to the forums. Has this patch woken the carebears from their slumber?

    IMHO, we've all had it too easy up until now.

    “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
    Stormchyld
    Trinity's Passing
    #852 - 2012-12-06 14:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Stormchyld
    new to forums?

    bawhawhaw

    actually thank you ..... the laugh chilled me out a bit.

    Keep playing ..... you'll get sick and tired of refilling your drone bay eventually
    Remiel Pollard
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #853 - 2012-12-06 14:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
    Stormchyld wrote:
    new to forums?

    bawhawhaw

    actually thank you ..... the laugh chilled me out a bit.


    It's that, or a lot of people are posting with brand new alts just to complain about retribution. There is a very definitive trend of new character influx in the forums - whether they are the alts of people who are regulars here or just people that have never posted, I cannot say. But one is most definitely more likely than the other.

    FYI, I have only lost one drone so far, and I have a stockpile of them. They are expendable - my primary weapons of choice have always been rails and drones are just a bit of extra dps to keep the AI busy.

    “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
    Stormchyld
    Trinity's Passing
    #854 - 2012-12-06 14:28:53 UTC
    Remiel Pollard wrote:
    Stormchyld wrote:
    new to forums?

    bawhawhaw

    actually thank you ..... the laugh chilled me out a bit.


    It's that, or a lot of people are posting with brand new alts just to complain about retribution. There is a very definitive trend of new character influx in the forums - whether they are the alts of people who are regulars here or just people that have never posted, I cannot say. But one is most definitely more likely than the other.

    FYI, I have only lost one drone so far, and I have a stockpile of them. They are expendable - my primary weapons of choice have always been rails and drones are just a bit of extra dps to keep the AI busy.


    Perhaps because they are newer players who cannot afford to lose tons of drones whilst climbing the standing ladder. This is the alt I always use for posting... and the last time I posted this much was during the fiasco that led to the Jita monument protest.

    When things are this screwed up m8, saying nothing, does nothing. My other 2 alts are Skychyld (main.. 6 years in feb) and Wrathchyld, both veterans of eve.

    It's good that you only lost one... and that you have a stockpile of them.... good on ya .... as do I .. you are utterly missing the point. So, enjoy your stockpile.
    RODIMUS PRIMAL
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #855 - 2012-12-06 14:33:17 UTC
    When I use my Jump Freighter there are two location of each Cynosural generators arrays in my heads up display that I can jump too. Both work .
    Nene Ryuseika
    The Ryuseika Group
    #856 - 2012-12-06 14:37:17 UTC
    Remiel Pollard wrote:

    FYI, I have only lost one drone so far, and I have a stockpile of them. They are expendable - my primary weapons of choice have always been rails and drones are just a bit of extra dps to keep the AI busy.


    Then you are obviously not flying a drone boat. A Thron pilot can't really comment on an issue affecting Domis and Ishtars.
    Stormchyld
    Trinity's Passing
    #857 - 2012-12-06 14:39:29 UTC
    Nene Ryuseika wrote:
    Remiel Pollard wrote:

    FYI, I have only lost one drone so far, and I have a stockpile of them. They are expendable - my primary weapons of choice have always been rails and drones are just a bit of extra dps to keep the AI busy.


    Then you are obviously not flying a drone boat. A Thron pilot can't really comment on an issue affecting Domis and Ishtars.





    This ^^
    Remiel Pollard
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #858 - 2012-12-06 14:41:31 UTC
    Nene Ryuseika wrote:
    Remiel Pollard wrote:

    FYI, I have only lost one drone so far, and I have a stockpile of them. They are expendable - my primary weapons of choice have always been rails and drones are just a bit of extra dps to keep the AI busy.


    Then you are obviously not flying a drone boat. A Thron pilot can't really comment on an issue affecting Domis and Ishtars.





    What makes you think I'm not flying a drone boat? One with railguns?

    “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
    Nene Ryuseika
    The Ryuseika Group
    #859 - 2012-12-06 14:43:26 UTC
    Remiel Pollard wrote:
    Nene Ryuseika wrote:
    Remiel Pollard wrote:

    FYI, I have only lost one drone so far, and I have a stockpile of them. They are expendable - my primary weapons of choice have always been rails and drones are just a bit of extra dps to keep the AI busy.


    Then you are obviously not flying a drone boat. A Thron pilot can't really comment on an issue affecting Domis and Ishtars.





    What makes you think I'm not flying a drone boat? One with railguns?



    Because a DRONE BOAT is a ship who's primary DPS is DRONES.


    not sure if trolling, or just stupid.jpg
    Rek Seven
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #860 - 2012-12-06 14:43:49 UTC
    I know guys, instead of giving constructive feedback, why don't we keep insulting the developers who probably worked ungodly hours and neglected their families so that we could play a video game...

    Chill out, wait a week and i'm sure they will answer your questions in due course.

    The wishlist is pretty much complete...