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Riazal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#821 - 2012-12-06 11:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Riazal
the only responce from dev's are about the f%^&*"g Calculator. thx dev's Sad

man up guys drone boats for ratting are dead...all drone boat pilots are going to be really poor...i would recomend you start skilling up another way to make isk.. and pray that it will not get nerf'd on the next patch...

but having to rat for 5 hous to buy and fit a bs really sucks bad and tbo.. not a good game.oh wait i can buy a plex for real $$$ and sell it in jitaIdea

99% grind 1%fun ....

you can all thank the the bots/ jita bots/alliance leaders and they're moon goo.incursions..Wh space...ccp for this crap
ccp are as bad as the uk government... allways fook the little guy over


tengu is to good...hmm nurf... fook now the loki is to good.. we can work on the nerf for that on next patch......lol nerf nerf nerf...

why have skills??? what is the point in training to lv5Question
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#822 - 2012-12-06 11:13:36 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nene Ryuseika wrote:
I prolly wont be arsed with doing all the targeting just for the drones on the noctis..

But well I thought hey at least salvage drones will be great on my proteus that goes out on itself scouting .. like for when I find a faction spawn. but alas.. ive been watching them salvage a Shadow Serpentis wreck now for 20 mintues. without even fail messages nothing


Lil buggers are broke all round :P


No, they're working as intended. Have you read their stats? What are your salvaging skills? Salvage drones are not intended to replace salvagers, and one drone with level 1 skill has only a 2% chance of successful salvage - on a Shadow (faction) wreck, that's as good as zero.



Please post with your CCP character or HTFU. Thx bye.


Me? HTFU? I was politely explaining why the salvaging drones weren't working on a faction wreck, while someone else was complaining.

As for me being CCP, please provide evidence of your assertions before making them, or GTFO. That is just the stupidest thing I've ever been accused of. I WISH I worked with CCP, then I could block your stupid arse off the forums to prevent the reduction of IQ in other players.

Kthxbai urself. Silly worm.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#823 - 2012-12-06 11:15:15 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
p4wl wrote:
everything is nice and smooth from my perspective, other then jump drive sound.

First time i undocked and jumped my JF i almost shat myself as the sound is so close to the old "shield/armor/structure hp low" emergency sound.

Every single jump after first... i still get that split second "omg imma get fkd" feeling. After a second i know its just the new sound but it moves me too much anyway :>




Don't worry, you get used to it. I quite like the new warp sounds, actually, that noise it makes coming out of warp is sort of like a little alarm to say "get ready, you're about to die".


Would you actually bother to NOT post when you have nothing to contribute? All your posts in this thread are more or less nonsense dribble. Pretty please?


And...what you just said contributes..... how, exactly??

Hypocrite much? Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#824 - 2012-12-06 11:35:37 UTC
Jungleland Roy wrote:

New Drone AI. 2 important points to make.

2) I've seen a few posts from wh-ers and other smart people saying stuff like "learn to manage aggro" and "wh-ers have no problem dealing with it". There is an existing bug in the new AI programming which by launching drones, letting them take aggro, recalling, letting ship get aggro again then relaunching drones (or some such shenanigans) the drones will then NOT be targeted again. The same happens in Whs - with the right sequence (foxfour confirmed this). So the way to beat the AI is to utilise an existing bug which was knowingly released in this expansion. That says a lot about the design in that we are advised to use a known bug to overcome the new AI. Plus what is going to happen when this bug gets fixed?

If your intention was to make PVE a fleet issue thing and that you basically want to push people away from solo play then come out and say it. At least then people can make their minds up about whether the game is moving away from what they get out of EVE and can consider their options accordingly.


The WH guys defending the new AI in missions would surely accept that their "missions" would be nerfed to the same level of rewards as ours.

Right?
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#825 - 2012-12-06 11:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack' Sparrow
So why have you not done something about it in the past instead of making it so normal in EVE's game play that veteran eve players can open the Calculator just with mind control? Straight

Anyhow, I sinceley hope that you reconsider the following issues which I strongly support along with many others.

(1) - Reconsider the nerf and the effect it's had on all HML ships in the game and read all the posts about it by other players.
(2) - Make NPC's not attack drones as hard as they are at the moment. So far this has made all drone boats obsolete against NPC's and also made it difficult for Golem pilots using torpedo's or even cruise missiles to kill frigate rats once the drones are all dead. It's also made T2 drones obsolete in PVE for the same matter unless you like throwing away vast amounts of ISK.
(3) - Reconsider revamping the Jukebox and putting it back into the game. If you insist in not doing this then at least put a download link up on eve-files for all the soundtracks so that we can add them to our personal players and not just give us the same comments about using Sound Cloud.
(4) - Modify the gate jumping sound as it sounds terribly tinny and cheap.
(5) - Fix the high pitch screaching sound when zoomed in close to your ship.
(6) - Change the bounty system so that the whole of EVE isn't wanted. I went to Jita last night and for not doing anything apart from docking I was given a bounty (on my other character). This is just pure nonsense and is in need of changes and fast.
(7) - Fix sounds in general, though some are OK others are just dreadful as mentioned by other players.
(8) - Remove the nerf from the Hurricane, it's way to severe.
(9) - Add more tracks into the high sec playlist, gets boring just listening to the same thing all the time when there are all of those great tracks out there that we always used to listen to.

There are many others things that I could post here but they've already been mentioned and I cannot remember them all.

If you support these changes guys please 'Like' this post and express your opinions in this thread so that CCP can read them and hopefully (Keeps fingers crossed) will enact them.

To CCP Explorer, no offence intended on my other posts but just trying to express my thoughts towards the Jukebox which other people have mentioned about in this thread and also on other threads in General Discussion.

Regards,

Jack' Sparrow Pirate

CCP Explorer wrote:
They haven't been fine in the last 8 years, there have been regular issues.
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Well, I appreciate the fact that issues occur from updating other things and legacy code causing issues with them but, they've been fine for the past 8 years or so, why has it suddenly become more of a problem?
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Moving on to the Calculator and Notepad it's obvious you don't like the calculator either. I know that you can hardly see it without a magnifying glass but instead of removing it you should implement a large easy to use one. It actually is a very useful tool that I use a lot and I don't think having to go the desktop to use the windows one is really a good idea, do you? The idea I'm trying to get across to you is to leave these things well alone until time permits you to update them. They've worked for the past 8+ years. Why botch them and annoy people when leaving them alone wouldn't of caused any problems?
Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.
CCP Paradox
#826 - 2012-12-06 11:41:27 UTC
Nene Ryuseika wrote:
I'de still like to get an answer from CCP about the auto salvage functionality on the salvage drones.


Is it intentional that it only works for wreaks you killed ? (It will not automatically salvage fleet/corp or even blue wreaks)


In other words - Should I be training Salvage Drones V on my noctis pilot or not?


We are aware of some issues on the auto salvage and are working on some fixes for that.

CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

Space Magician

Nene Ryuseika
The Ryuseika Group
#827 - 2012-12-06 11:54:00 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:


We are aware of some issues on the auto salvage and are working on some fixes for that.




TY :)

I think I can speak for any anomaly/mission runner that any improvement that cuts down on the busy work of running a noctis is a very welcome thing.
jebar
Caprinae Ocean
#828 - 2012-12-06 11:56:22 UTC
got an issue where cyno gens show up double in the list
Stormchyld
Trinity's Passing
#829 - 2012-12-06 11:57:57 UTC

Who thought up the changes to NPC rat AI dealing with drones? losing around 10 T2 drones had me plenty hot. (trust me on this, sadly I shut down corp chat for 4 hours with my 15 minutes of venting...... sorry corpies, but after playing 6 years... CCP does this... there is GOING to be some venting)

Instant aggro on first undocking.... really?? Even if the NPC rats have solidly locked onto one ship? Why don't you completely ban hotboxing CCP? Because while doing that when I had solid aggro from all frigs and undocked drones then tabbed to another account to salvage ..... when I switched back BOOM ... no drones or they were into struct. ... and if your ship can only hold 5 drones then drones are now completely useless. Why don't you just remove the drone bays from any but gallente or your new found lust for turning amarr ships into drone boats?

Go ahead and just remove missions ... oh wait .... those are usually how new players learn the game ..... and how some people get a few days break from null politics. No one will be accepting missions like world's collide anymore... just remove it from the game.... you only listen to the whining pirates anyway so just remove empire and cord altogether so you have no sandbox (what a joke that concept is) Oh wait ..... the same AI will be in null NPC rats ..... I feel several JF jumps coming on carrying 200k assorted drones...... what a marvelous cluster f@ck you people have come up with.

I can deal with the fact that the caldari field command ship is now useless because it's hvy missle range is pitifully short and deals much less dmg. (just remove it from the game... it's screwed) .... but messing up hotboxing is extremely short sighted and nothing short of idiotic.

and don't get me started on the icons for targeted .... well ... anything ..... it's so nice that you devs seem to think that everyone playing your game is 17 years old and have 40/20 vision.... I have a 27 inch monitor and still found myself one foot from the screen making sure just what I was firing on... and what I was salvaging..... but not everyone is so blessed. I agree with someone else who posted that they'd pay for the old icons back... AT LEAST have an option to adjust the size of the shield/armor/struct rings surrounding the icons... as it is now they make the targeted items look even smaller.

epic fail

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#830 - 2012-12-06 11:59:58 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
Jungleland Roy wrote:

New Drone AI. 2 important points to make.

2) I've seen a few posts from wh-ers and other smart people saying stuff like "learn to manage aggro" and "wh-ers have no problem dealing with it". There is an existing bug in the new AI programming which by launching drones, letting them take aggro, recalling, letting ship get aggro again then relaunching drones (or some such shenanigans) the drones will then NOT be targeted again. The same happens in Whs - with the right sequence (foxfour confirmed this). So the way to beat the AI is to utilise an existing bug which was knowingly released in this expansion. That says a lot about the design in that we are advised to use a known bug to overcome the new AI. Plus what is going to happen when this bug gets fixed?

If your intention was to make PVE a fleet issue thing and that you basically want to push people away from solo play then come out and say it. At least then people can make their minds up about whether the game is moving away from what they get out of EVE and can consider their options accordingly.


The WH guys defending the new AI in missions would surely accept that their "missions" would be nerfed to the same level of rewards as ours.

Right?


No. The whole purpose of WHs is higher risk and higher reward. You think lvl4 AI is hard? You really haven't fought the sleepers yet.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#831 - 2012-12-06 12:04:28 UTC
I tend to find this is most games I play, they spend there time making it worse and then claim it's balancing Shocked

Bizzare lol

Riazal wrote:
the only responce from dev's are about the f%^&*"g Calculator. thx dev's Sad

man up guys drone boats for ratting are dead...all drone boat pilots are going to be really poor...i would recomend you start skilling up another way to make isk.. and pray that it will not get nerf'd on the next patch...

but having to rat for 5 hous to buy and fit a bs really sucks bad and tbo.. not a good game.oh wait i can buy a plex for real $$$ and sell it in jitaIdea

99% grind 1%fun ....

you can all thank the the bots/ jita bots/alliance leaders and they're moon goo.incursions..Wh space...ccp for this crap
ccp are as bad as the uk government... allways **** the little guy over


tengu is to good...hmm nurf... **** now the loki is to good.. we can work on the nerf for that on next patch......lol nerf nerf nerf...

why have skills??? what is the point in training to lv5Question

Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#832 - 2012-12-06 12:05:13 UTC
The level 4 mission AI is fine apart from that drones are obsolete more or less.

Remiel Pollard wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
Jungleland Roy wrote:

New Drone AI. 2 important points to make.

2) I've seen a few posts from wh-ers and other smart people saying stuff like "learn to manage aggro" and "wh-ers have no problem dealing with it". There is an existing bug in the new AI programming which by launching drones, letting them take aggro, recalling, letting ship get aggro again then relaunching drones (or some such shenanigans) the drones will then NOT be targeted again. The same happens in Whs - with the right sequence (foxfour confirmed this). So the way to beat the AI is to utilise an existing bug which was knowingly released in this expansion. That says a lot about the design in that we are advised to use a known bug to overcome the new AI. Plus what is going to happen when this bug gets fixed?

If your intention was to make PVE a fleet issue thing and that you basically want to push people away from solo play then come out and say it. At least then people can make their minds up about whether the game is moving away from what they get out of EVE and can consider their options accordingly.


The WH guys defending the new AI in missions would surely accept that their "missions" would be nerfed to the same level of rewards as ours.

Right?


No. The whole purpose of WHs is higher risk and higher reward. You think lvl4 AI is hard? You really haven't fought the sleepers yet.

realmkiller
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#833 - 2012-12-06 12:27:38 UTC
I hate this new expansion ive been doing level 4 missoins i used to be able to do them solo can no longer do that anymore my drones get ripped apart by the new upgraded AI the npc's are now as hard as sleeper drones ive found the same problem doing exploration sites as well what used to take 15 or 20 mins to do a site now takes over an hour and the pay off isnt even worth doing the sites im a pretty good drake pilot and im not happy with the drones getting teared up and the npc's repping faster than i can kill them i like fighting solo and i cant really do that anymore i dont want to have to be in a group just to play this game im seriously thinking about not playing anymore
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#834 - 2012-12-06 12:39:14 UTC
realmkiller wrote:
I hate this new expansion ive been doing level 4 missoins i used to be able to do them solo can no longer do that anymore my drones get ripped apart by the new upgraded AI the npc's are now as hard as sleeper drones ive found the same problem doing exploration sites as well what used to take 15 or 20 mins to do a site now takes over an hour and the pay off isnt even worth doing the sites im a pretty good drake pilot and im not happy with the drones getting teared up and the npc's repping faster than i can kill them i like fighting solo and i cant really do that anymore i dont want to have to be in a group just to play this game im seriously thinking about not playing anymore


Well i guess it's time to move to WH space or null sec for you... Either that or run lvl 4's in a BS like they were meant to be run Smile
Deheler
Muggers Inc.
#835 - 2012-12-06 13:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Deheler
Patchnotes Retribution 1.02 wrote:
Market

The scroll for an input field will now work when the mouse cursor is within the boundaries of the window as opposed to the boundaries of the input field.
Thank you!


Edit: And please don't remove the Calculator. I use it every time I log in this character! And no, the OS calculator is not a good substitution for the in-game one. When it is in focus I can not do anything in EvE, and when I do something in EvE I cannot see it any more (It hides behind the client) so then I'm unable to use the outcome of the calculation in-game. Besides that, why should I use another third party program when the functionality is already in the game client? Again, please, don't remove it!

DH
Toi Algaert
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#836 - 2012-12-06 13:04:44 UTC
So have any dev's commented on the monumental balls up over drones yet?, Or are they still ignoring the player's ( yeah us that pay there wages )
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#837 - 2012-12-06 13:13:22 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
realmkiller wrote:
I hate this new expansion ive been doing level 4 missoins i used to be able to do them solo can no longer do that anymore my drones get ripped apart by the new upgraded AI the npc's are now as hard as sleeper drones ive found the same problem doing exploration sites as well what used to take 15 or 20 mins to do a site now takes over an hour and the pay off isnt even worth doing the sites im a pretty good drake pilot and im not happy with the drones getting teared up and the npc's repping faster than i can kill them i like fighting solo and i cant really do that anymore i dont want to have to be in a group just to play this game im seriously thinking about not playing anymore


Well i guess it's time to move to WH space or null sec for you... Either that or run lvl 4's in a BS like they were meant to be run Smile


Does nulsec still teach punctuation these days?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#838 - 2012-12-06 13:15:35 UTC
Wowzers there are some care bear tears in here.

First of all. The Hurricane needed a nerf along with HML's which were way over powered. The Hurricane is still a very good ship. The Drake is also excellent and falls in line with the other BC's.

Second. PvE in EvE is evolving. It needs to otherwise content becomes stale. PvE is to become more like PvP and crying about these changes to NPC AI is rediculous. Adapt or die. You can still use drones just manage them properly. I don't struggle so why do you? Also, why not take some risks to make money and leave hi sec?

Third. Sound FX being poor. I agree that sound FX may be poor in some cases.

and last. Where were all you whining wingebots when all this stuff was on the test server and all the dev blogs, dev forum threads and news and testing and feedback was going on? If you can't be bothered to keep up and then wet your nappies when D-Day happens then you'll get no sympathy from me. If you want sympathy it's in the dictionary. Somewhere between shite and syphilis.
Stormchyld
Trinity's Passing
#839 - 2012-12-06 13:24:30 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Wowzers there are some care bear tears in here.

First of all. The Hurricane needed a nerf along with HML's which were way over powered. The Hurricane is still a very good ship. The Drake is also excellent and falls in line with the other BC's.

Second. PvE in EvE is evolving. It needs to otherwise content becomes stale. PvE is to become more like PvP and crying about these changes to NPC AI is rediculous. Adapt or die. You can still use drones just manage them properly. I don't struggle so why do you? Also, why not take some risks to make money and leave hi sec?

Third. Sound FX being poor. I agree that sound FX may be poor in some cases.

and last. Where were all you whining wingebots when all this stuff was on the test server and all the dev blogs, dev forum threads and news and testing and feedback was going on? If you can't be bothered to keep up and then wet your nappies when D-Day happens then you'll get no sympathy from me. If you want sympathy it's in the dictionary. Somewhere between shite and syphilis.



Thanks for the input, troll. I DO live in nullsec 4 days a week pal ... these drone issues are there as well. Perhaps you ONLY live in a frig ... if so fine, that's YOUR CHOICE ...... try flying a gallente ship now... in anoms... in 0.8 .. BOOM... no drones .... You MUST reside in a place in null where the market has 3m drones for sale... most DO NOT.

and for someone complaining about whiners... you do a great job of it yourself.
Toi Algaert
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#840 - 2012-12-06 13:30:16 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:

Second. PvE in EvE is evolving. It needs to otherwise content becomes stale. PvE is to become more like PvP and crying about these changes to NPC AI is rediculous. Adapt or die. You can still use drones just manage them properly. I don't struggle so why do you? Also, why not take some risks to make money and leave hi sec?


No carebear tears from me i want to do PVP i want to be in low sec but my account being 5 months old and finally got into lvl4
missions i trained up skills to give me a half decent tank with decent DPS dealing but not enough to finish most ships of
so i use drones for the extra damage. Now as soon i as drop out my drones there smears in space whilst im being scrammed by a frig orbiting just out of my optimal and i cant track.

Wise move by CCP to screw over my month of skills in drones.