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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#781 - 2012-12-06 06:08:54 UTC
Macaya wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Macaya wrote:
Macaya wrote:
The following about this patch sucks :

CCP

Nuff said.


LOL Look at ebay... See how many toons just popped on there today lol


LOL I did, and there were exactly zero. Which means they were there and got sold, or there are none. Either way, it's no loss to CCP.


Try searching just Eve Online and then Worldwide..



2. Total. Worldwide. Actually, they're both from Iceland.

versus a current online population of nearly 25,000, and it's not peak hour.

I don't think CCP have anything to worry about.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#782 - 2012-12-06 06:31:24 UTC
Ok. Solo missioning has been totally broken with the patch. They are just not worth the trouble anymore. In every mission where there are a lot of rats in a room are undoable in a reasonable time, because the whole room aggroes in 10 seconds.

Lovely nerf for the Drake too. I'd be ok with it if the rats also got the memo that the range for heavy missiles was nerfed. They're still happily flinging them at me from 70+ km.
Arabian Mistress
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#783 - 2012-12-06 06:34:17 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
Ok. Solo missioning has been totally broken with the patch. They are just not worth the trouble anymore. In every mission where there are a lot of rats in a room are undoable in a reasonable time, because the whole room aggroes in 10 seconds.

Lovely nerf for the Drake too. I'd be ok with it if the rats also got the memo that the range for heavy missiles was nerfed. They're still happily flinging them at me from 70+ km.


Rats have always had infinite missile range, not sure if intentional?
Huey Xiong
State War Academy
Caldari State
#784 - 2012-12-06 06:41:41 UTC
My chat windows were freezing the first day after the patch but this seems to be fixed now.

I don't find the UI easier to read, circles are too big, random red circles around npcs are annoying. Why do all ship brackets hightlight on my screen when I hover over my guns.

MIssiles boats seem to be very bad now.

I was unable to hit BS rats because my tracking computer couldn't compensate for the 2 (only 2) tracking disrupters on rats. I had to sit until they changed targets. Checking on hte guns the BS were in a perfect optimal range.
Steven Shen
Flat Earth Believers
#785 - 2012-12-06 07:21:18 UTC
the salvage drone can not be used with shortcut, this is troublesome.

I advise that drone navigation computer should be moved to high slot, and compete with energy vampire, energy neutralize and son on, due to that med-slot is so crowed. If possible, this computer will also promote the circular velocity.

Add a new module called Missile navigation computer in the med-slot which includes scripts of missile flying velocity, explosion velocity and explosion radius. Just like tracking computer to the gun.

Finally, I think 5% drone velocity should be added into bonus to don
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#786 - 2012-12-06 07:40:53 UTC
Abaddon Remillard wrote:
What happened to ore transfering from Hulks > Orca's? I use to be able to transfer ore from the Hulk to the Orca if my ship was withing 2500 metres now I have to Jettsion the ore from the Hulk and then tractor the ore to the Orca pain in the arse.


Since the right click menu to allow Orca fleet usage was obvious and easy to find, they decided to remove it.

Now you have to open the tree view of an inventory of the Orca and locate a tiny icon which (with no immediate feedback about what it does) you have to press. Possibly you have also to click on another tiny icon next to it.

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Elaine' du'pont
Doomheim
#787 - 2012-12-06 07:44:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Elaine' du'pont
The new icon target's are just ..horible, it's not very estetic, why not any round chat window's too, to go with the new fashion? if you can make them smaller and a bit transparent it will be ..less horible.
The Ham range...horible for pve, it wouldt kill you if they had a little more range? like 5 km, pleaseee :D

The heavy missile dps...horible, i don't have a problem with the range.
The salvage drones...it would be great if they can salvage yelow wrecks automated, horible enough they can't salvage sleeper wreck's
The absolution comand ship's paint...well i liked more when it had red and gold 2 paches ago.

Beside's this i think the dev's did a great job..for now!
Hardwick Johnson
Ouroboric Absolution
The Commonwealth.
#788 - 2012-12-06 07:46:09 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

I suppose the next "intelligent" CCP move is:
- remove calculator
- remove notepad
- remove calendar.

After all, the Operating System comes with a calculator and notepad, and we can always use Outlook for better calendars right?


This is true, but you forgot a few more:

  • Don't forget the browser, all OS's have one of those.
  • Oh and then there's the in-game mail. We all have email.
  • Eve Voice? Why the **** did you keep that CCP? TS and vent work just fine, right?
  • Don't even get me started on the in-game chat channels. Do they not have IRQ, AIM or Yahoo in Iceland?
  • A star map? I have a paper one, don't need no fancy-shmancy in game map sonny-boy.
  • And what's with this "assets" list. Ain't you boys ever heard of a pencil and a pad of paper?
  • People and places? I know who my friends are & I don't need you telling me where life has taken me or where to go sister!
  • A wallet? Please. Ever heard of Quicken?
  • A Journal? Seriously? What are we? A bunch of 14 year old girls with a crush and a bad case of teenaged angst?

CCP: All these fancy features can be had out of game, keeping them in game is a total waste of your programming skills..... Roll

If I wanted to suck up more bandwidth by streaming music, I would. If I liked flipping between diff programs when I wanted to hear a diff song, I would. Thanks for making things more difficult.


Now, getting to some other issues.

1st and foremost:
Jack' Sparrow, you're far too nice in your response to a DEV getting his panties in a twist.

  • CCP Explorer: Ref message 536, 705, 708 & 713, : How about not being a total jerk there Francis? You wanted feedback, you ASKED for feedback. So now you're getting it. If you don't like it, or don't want it, then why ask for it?

    • Jack made what a large number of fellow players consider to be a valid point: Pulling the jukebox was stupid.
    You shot back with a load of crap basically threatening future changes in response?
    If the legacy code is an issue: TAKE IT OUT AND THEN REPLACE IT WITH NEW CODE.

    You said "time that might be better spent on something else" Like what? More sounds we can't disable? Limiting HM's to a 20km range? Less drone HP to go with all the aggro?
    Your own Team Klang (great name for what most of the noises actually sound like, btw) DevBlog stated they thought it would be controversial. Boy is it ever. But now you don't want to hear about it. Try listening to your customers instead of defending a decision your team KNEW was going to be unpopular.



  • Heavy missiles pretty much suck now. You royally screwed them. Maxed out skills and less than 80km?? And explosion velocity less than an unladen African swallow? WTF, over? We can launch guided missiles through the atmosphere farther than EVE apparently can through the vacuum of space.....

    • If you only want Amarr/Winmatar battles, then get rid of the other races. Missiles are supposed to be the caldari mainstay, yet you nerf them to hell and gone. Same with the Frogs and their drones. Seriously: Just limit PvP to laser light shows and golden BB's if that's what you're going for....


  • Having to always turn off the safety after every session change? Seriously?? A little warning that you are exiting station with safety off would be one thing, but again: After EVERY session change? Coming to you live in fleet comms across New Eden: "Jump on contact, primary is _____, spread points, and don't forget to disengage your safeties"

  • Station sounds: Again, let me state this very clearly: YOUR STATION SOUNDS SUCK. Do you copy, over? Give us a way to mute them, and all the other annoying crap sounds you just added.

  • Salvaging a wreck sounds a lot like the Titanic hitting an iceberg. Did the world just freaking end or did I get a few rig parts?

  • Targeting rings and the RROD blobs. Can we shrink them down just a smidge? Like maybe to something a little smaller than a Brooklyn-style pizza maybe?

  • Overly loud kill sounds: Why do I hear these sounds through the void of space? But lets say it makes sense for a moment and consider this: His whole world just ended, not mine. You needn't turn my eardrums into bloody pulp for killing a ship 70km away with massively loud announcement. The purrty explosion did that just fine, thanks.




    • Tara Tyrael wrote:

    And yea, in case I forgot to mention it, here is solution what to do with FLAG buzzing noises.
    Take them and save them to memory stick, make an digital desk watch, put in 30 watt 12 inch speaker on it turned to max with amplifier, upload the sound, set it to go off 5 times randomly in one minute and put it in the same room whose idea was to make it in first place.

    Love it!


    Riazal wrote:
    why do you put really nice things in game like officer mods revenant/Titans... then kill ppl's isk making so they are allways going to be out of reach...


    The point? To make you buy a few PLEX. They're on sale now. Co-winkydink......?
    Vaerah Vahrokha
    Vahrokh Consulting
    #789 - 2012-12-06 07:53:51 UTC
    Arabian Mistress wrote:
    Seriously though, the new UI is actually making me not want to play until something is done about it. I really hope CCP revert the changes and either work on this new UI or scrap it completely (I doubt many people will miss it).

    I doubt CCP will revert this however as they don't seem to care what the player base want as they just force changes which are arguably worse than their predecessor. Add a button to USE OLD UI and I'll be happy.


    The 2 single biggest CCP issues:

    1) The Jita monument protest has been forgotten. THE DOOR has been replaced by THE INVENTORY and now THE PIZZAS (aiming reticles), THE (removal of) HANGARS and no jukebox. No opt out, no "compatibility mode", inferior performance and usability yet shoved on the players throats.

    2) They returned living on their ivory tower, where they decide AWESOME features nobody asked for and commit the whole company for 1 year in rewriting already existing mechanics.

    This would be cool if the rewrite - like every freeware does - would provide the old functionality PLUS something new.
    What we get is a visibly slower and slower client, somewhat shinier but with features removed again and again, like they did on Warhammer Online, with the disastrous consequences many know.

    You know what? I'd PAY to have the old inventory back, the hangars back, the rectangular aiming reticles back and the jukebox back.

    Can we have a new account option: "get old, functional client back" for PLEX?

    You can leave this somewhat shinier looking toy for newbies.

    Oh the same newbies who now won't be able to fit their BC because soemeone rebalanced it on 2004 veterans stats, the same newbies who will keep losing ships because scrambled in missions with all drones dead.

    This is so pathetic, all that effort, all those protests at Jita monument into making CCP think about US not about their pet projects... and that went to waste.

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    Sharon Zorajan
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #790 - 2012-12-06 08:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sharon Zorajan
    CCP plz just give us a normal ship explosion sound effect and back to the old ship explosion visual effect instead of the new fake one ok????The new sound n visual effect nearly kill all my interests in this game! Maybe someone will suggest me to turn the sounds off ,but sound means atmosphere,i cant lose this way of plaing EVE as a mission runner!So plz go ahead to fix these problems! I dont want to quit EVE!!!!!!
    Totally Wasted Blonde
    Cargo Unlimited Nexus Transport
    #791 - 2012-12-06 08:28:45 UTC
    For those having such a hard time with bleeps, bing, buzzes of in game sounds.... I present this revolutionary in game add on

    Soundless
    poppeteer
    Pator Tech School
    Minmatar Republic
    #792 - 2012-12-06 08:40:22 UTC
    New mega/kronos/vindi model is a massive letdown. Just gut the thing why don't you.
    Remiel Pollard
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #793 - 2012-12-06 08:59:01 UTC
    Sharon Zorajan wrote:
    CCP plz just give us a normal ship explosion sound effect and back to the old ship explosion visual effect instead of the new fake one ok????The new sound n visual effect nearly kill all my interests in this game! Maybe someone will suggest me to turn the sounds off ,but sound means atmosphere,i cant lose this way of plaing EVE as a mission runner!So plz go ahead to fix these problems! I dont want to quit EVE!!!!!!


    CCP aren't making you do anything. If you quit, it'll be your choice.

    Can I have your stuff?

    “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
    Vaerah Vahrokha
    Vahrokh Consulting
    #794 - 2012-12-06 09:22:20 UTC
    Totally Wasted Blonde wrote:
    For those having such a hard time with bleeps, bing, buzzes of in game sounds.... I present this revolutionary in game add on

    Soundless


    They should hire you at CCP. "Disable functionality and all will be fine!"

    What about replacing stuff WHEN AND IF the new stuff is better? You know, like asking people what they think about it and stuff.

    Sure the other MMOs don't ask players what they prefer but hey, the other MMOs allow players to install add ons to do the customization themselves...

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    CCP Explorer
    C C P
    C C P Alliance
    #795 - 2012-12-06 09:31:22 UTC
    They haven't been fine in the last 8 years, there have been regular issues.
    Jack' Sparrow wrote:
    Well, I appreciate the fact that issues occur from updating other things and legacy code causing issues with them but, they've been fine for the past 8 years or so, why has it suddenly become more of a problem?
    CCP Explorer wrote:
    Jack' Sparrow wrote:
    Moving on to the Calculator and Notepad it's obvious you don't like the calculator either. I know that you can hardly see it without a magnifying glass but instead of removing it you should implement a large easy to use one. It actually is a very useful tool that I use a lot and I don't think having to go the desktop to use the windows one is really a good idea, do you? The idea I'm trying to get across to you is to leave these things well alone until time permits you to update them. They've worked for the past 8+ years. Why botch them and annoy people when leaving them alone wouldn't of caused any problems?
    Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.

    Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
    CCP Explorer
    C C P
    C C P Alliance
    #796 - 2012-12-06 09:34:35 UTC
    Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
    CCP Explorer wrote:
    It's time and effort spent that might be better spent on something else.
    Or removing long time, beloved features on a regular basis? That is removing with no replacement. How can these be "iterations" when refactoring becomes removing?
    It's perfectly normal for a long-lived game like EVE to have to remove some features at some point in its life. I even explained this in a devblog in 2009 http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=1777 (start from "Why do we constantly update EVE? "Why can't you just keep it the way it is?"").

    Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
    Ribikoka
    Royal Amarr Institute
    Amarr Empire
    #797 - 2012-12-06 09:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
    GaiusAlexander wrote:
    Ribikoka wrote:
    GaiusAlexander wrote:
    Anyone who thinks the Tengu is obsolete now, isn't flying them right. Yes, I dropped from 730 DPS to 715, but that is not that big of a change. Range dropped from 112 KM to 70KM, while that sucks, I just adjusted my kite circle of death from 80KM around a point to 60KM. Still kill everything with the same number of volleys. Even with the new AI, rats aren't any more dangerous to anything but a drone. Since the Tengu can just use Precision Heavy Missiles to kill those pesky frigs, I say it still has an advantage.

    If you know what your doing.


    Really ? And how much DPS you lose when you reload ? 715x10sec=7150 ??? How many ISK you lost in a hour ? I tell to you almost 14 million lost/ hour. Did you think 65million isk profit or 51million is equal ?
    And you tried to shot HAC rats and you really just lost 15dps or you just forget the almost 30% explosion velocity nerf ???
    The real data is.
    Before patch i hit the HACs with over 800dmg/salvo and now after this patch i damage them with 490dmg/salvo with full skills.
    The Eve now 99% grind fest and 1% fun.


    I don't measure my fun in ISK per hour. Loading missiles takes as long now as it did before the patch. I am killing rats with the same number of volleys now as I did before the patch. I am not commenting on the game not being different. I am saying the nerf isn't as bad as people are complaining about.


    But you just not told the truth from the real damage.
    I see in my wallet what happened after this expansion.
    You don't measure the fun in ISK, but every real players in eve knows that, if no ISK, no PvP, no new ship,no weapon, no fun in Eve.
    If u have no isk need grinding and this patch a huge ISK sink for caldaris and the drone users.So they are need more grinding and that's so boring and that's not fun.
    Everyone knows, the most boring parts of eve the grindfest and every new patch by years to years atleast 4 years ago decreasing the ISK profits, while the ship/plex etc. prices just go up.
    jJohn Morgan
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #798 - 2012-12-06 09:36:15 UTC
    How do i sum up how i feel about this EXPANSION EASY : On the 3rd December i parked my "mercedes S class" in its hanger and when i came back the next day the CCP fairy had turned it into a "second hand volks wagen polo" complete with a tacky paint job and furry dice hanging from the mirror. CCP do you think we are all stupid ? and for **** sake look up the word "expantion " in a dictionary this is the last straw
    CCP Explorer
    C C P
    C C P Alliance
    #799 - 2012-12-06 09:37:05 UTC
    Dersen Lowery wrote:
    CCP Explorer wrote:
    Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.
    Fair enough. Have you considered an EVE Calculator? I don't mean what you have now, but something customized to the game? km/AU conversion. Graphs of DPS over optimal/falloff/long falloff with adjustable target transversal in radians, or velocity and distance, using your currently active ship, implants, boosters and boosts. Fuel/LY for active ship and current skills, if it has a jump drive.

    And, of course, a plain old calculator.
    That would indeed be the case for keeping the EVE Calculator, if we could justify through players' demand that adding such EVE-specific functionality would be worthwhile. That way the EVE Calculator would be offering something that the operating system's calculator would not offer.

    Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
    CCP Explorer
    C C P
    C C P Alliance
    #800 - 2012-12-06 09:38:53 UTC
    Korinne wrote:
    CCP Explorer wrote:
    It's time and effort spent that might be better spent on something else.
    Like what, and who gets to decide that? Obviously enough people think it's a good use of time or you wouldn't have had to say anything regarding it in the first place. So I would assert that it WOULDN'T be best spent elsewhere. Where else are you going to spend it exactly? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much stuff you add or make look different if earlier stuff is still broken. I don't car how pretty the paintjob on your motorcycle is if the damned thing doesn't run.

    Edited for grammar.
    At the end of the day it's the Senior Producer who decides on the development roadmap. There is of course a lot of input from various sources.

    Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer