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Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#761 - 2012-12-06 01:38:19 UTC
So, I just went to Jita with my other character and got a bounty for doing bugger all. Though I don't really mind It's quite funny as virtually everyone on my overview has a bounty lol
Spanker
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#762 - 2012-12-06 01:40:10 UTC
Love almost everything added. What many of us DO NOT like is the 5 minute countdown for npc engagement. I have a 5 billion isk Moros and Archon last thing I need to see is my isp hiccup and knowing my ships might be stuck on grid with a full sleeper spawn Tearing into my hard earned ships.....kinda crapola if you ask me.
Oraac Ensor
#763 - 2012-12-06 01:51:15 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Korinne wrote:
The tracking camera was always there.


No it wasn't What?

Where is it, anyway?



Click the options icon in the top left corner of the selected item window. You can also press C to turn it on and off.

Cool feature but needs work. I don't like how the camera bounces around so much and you don't appear to be able to fix your ships position on screen.

Thanks. Smile
Cesar Iulia
La Spada di Damocle
#764 - 2012-12-06 02:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cesar Iulia
I am a new player (a few months).
I really like the aesthetic side of EVE and its design ... but frankly I do not understand one thing:

but the ships of the Caldari will be updated soon?
I read that they already had restyling V3 ... what?

1) the detail of polygons Caldari ships is abominable ... very few polygons

2) the details of the texture (Raven, Black Bird, Moa, Kestrel, etc..) Is obscene ... textures in very low definition ... spread as in the first games of 1998!

3) complete (or almost) lack of lights (headlights and points)

This is not a flame ... just one question ... when will be updated in the TECHNIQUE Caldari ships?


thanks, fly safe!
Inepsa1987
#765 - 2012-12-06 02:28:19 UTC
Wigster Atild wrote:
New bounty system is just another way players - like myself - can be targeted by on-line bullies and run out of the game.

I run missions, and do other activities that do NOT involve upsetting other players.. I do NOT go to low or no sec, i stay in the (mostly) safe from pvp area of the game commonly known as HIGH SEC. I have a positive security rating and I do not heckle or troll...

So why is it that today -IN THE HELP CHANNEL -when asking about why my drones where being auto targeted by every AI ship in the missions I had been running and being wiped out even though I was actively being targeted by all ships before I released them - I NOT ONLY GET THE USUAL TROLLS BUT FOR MY TROUBLES I GET 12 BOUNTIES PLACED ON ME..

What the hell where you thinking CCP for making in game bulling a legitimate pass time in the game??..


Some players like myself can only afford to play if we pay with in-game plex and if the screwing us by making missions tougher and drones primary targets when running missions isnt bad enough you then NURF every ship im skilled in to make them useless for anything.... and if thats not enough we are now subjected to having our mission boats and salvage ships blown to s**t when we try to undock to make isk ..... just so you can endorse bulling....

WE ARE BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE GAME...

I have had my membership - unbroken - for over 6 years.. your actions on this update is a stab in the back to players like me.

I SURE HOPE YOU ALL GOT GIVEN YOUR 30 PIECES OF SILVER... IF THAT IS STILL THE GOING RATE FOR BETRAYAL..



So did the bounties hurt you? Sounds like u have enough isk to do exactly what they did to you, use a game feature.

Spaceship Pilot.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#766 - 2012-12-06 02:39:01 UTC
So, it looks like we have yet another EXPANSION that will have to be totally undone.
Jack' Sparrow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#767 - 2012-12-06 02:41:52 UTC
I'm having certain sound issues. As well as disliking most of the new sounds that have already been mentioned. When your zoomed in close to your own ship there is a really high pitch screaching sound that plays. Since this patch I've had to turn off the audio all together since it's to annoying.

Anyone else had the issue with the screaching sound?
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#768 - 2012-12-06 02:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
I pay for my subscription, and I refuse to pay for PLEX to buy ISK. But, with EVERY feature of each Expansion of late, I am able to make less and less ISK in game. Now? I can't make ISK. I undock, I lose ISK.

Just an FYI: I asked to be banned from the Help channel. Glad to hear I shouldn't request to go back for all the same reasons I left, and now one more.



Wigster Atild wrote:
New bounty system is just another way players - like myself - can be targeted by on-line bullies and run out of the game.

I run missions, and do other activities that do NOT involve upsetting other players.. I do NOT go to low or no sec, i stay in the (mostly) safe from pvp area of the game commonly known as HIGH SEC. I have a positive security rating and I do not heckle or troll...

So why is it that today -IN THE HELP CHANNEL -when asking about why my drones where being auto targeted by every AI ship in the missions I had been running and being wiped out even though I was actively being targeted by all ships before I released them - I NOT ONLY GET THE USUAL TROLLS BUT FOR MY TROUBLES I GET 12 BOUNTIES PLACED ON ME..

What the hell where you thinking CCP for making in game bulling a legitimate pass time in the game??..


Some players like myself can only afford to play if we pay with in-game plex and if the screwing us by making missions tougher and drones primary targets when running missions isnt bad enough you then NURF every ship im skilled in to make them useless for anything.... and if thats not enough we are now subjected to having our mission boats and salvage ships blown to s**t when we try to undock to make isk ..... just so you can endorse bulling....

WE ARE BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE GAME...

I have had my membership - unbroken - for over 6 years.. your actions on this update is a stab in the back to players like me.

I SURE HOPE YOU ALL GOT GIVEN YOUR 30 PIECES OF SILVER... IF THAT IS STILL THE GOING RATE FOR BETRAYAL..
Max Fightmaaster
Matari Enterprises
#769 - 2012-12-06 02:52:12 UTC
Missile nerf too severe. Needs to be compensated with more damage. I think a 10% reductions should have been more fair. Drake is garbage for mission running with this change.

Damage needs to be increase or range given back. Missiles were fine to begin with now they are broken IMO.

*Heavy missiles have been the BACKBONE to the Caldari Navy on various ships. CCP seems to have cut off an arm in attempt to fix a broken fingernail*


The sounds. The new sounds for the agro, non capsuleer and others, needs to be removed or easily turned off. Ran a few sites in our WH last night and I was ready to punch my computer. Those sounds are annoying after you've heard them 1000 times in 5 minutes.


Cliff Notes:

-Missile nerf ruined the reputation of Caldari+PVE capability
-Drake is now the worst BC because of the awful range
-Damage needs to be at least buffed for the range penalty.
-Lets get a skill that takes 1 second off reload time per level on launchers.

-Also: an 8th high slot for the new Corax would be nice so we could fit probe launchers, etc. this makes the ship more fun for an exploration ship. Retain 7x launcher slots, add a free high?
Fire'Marshal Bill
Parks 'n Wrecks Wildlife Management
#770 - 2012-12-06 03:34:03 UTC
Great expansion.

My feedback would be to allow a reason to be posted along with the bounty. It would add depth to the game. Allowing for story in the sandbox. Eve the retribution trailer features such a story. Bounty hunters and/or the hunted would more enjoy depth than the simple, find and kill. There should be a better way to track history. From a pirates negative security sec for example, you can go beyond the killboards. Track from going negative to redemption and getting a positive sec status. Posting a thank you for your heroes, not just a bounty for your villans. Maybe too much. But in eve we love our villians and our heroes. Nice to enjoy the history from epic fails,to great comebacks. Go beyond the sec status and bounty placed.

Thanks for the read, and again really great xpansion. Redoing the code and what not is making the game great.
GaiusAlexander
Starcorp Heavy Industries
#771 - 2012-12-06 03:41:37 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
GaiusAlexander wrote:
Anyone who thinks the Tengu is obsolete now, isn't flying them right. Yes, I dropped from 730 DPS to 715, but that is not that big of a change. Range dropped from 112 KM to 70KM, while that sucks, I just adjusted my kite circle of death from 80KM around a point to 60KM. Still kill everything with the same number of volleys. Even with the new AI, rats aren't any more dangerous to anything but a drone. Since the Tengu can just use Precision Heavy Missiles to kill those pesky frigs, I say it still has an advantage.

If you know what your doing.


Really ? And how much DPS you lose when you reload ? 715x10sec=7150 ??? How many ISK you lost in a hour ? I tell to you almost 14 million lost/ hour. Did you think 65million isk profit or 51million is equal ?
And you tried to shot HAC rats and you really just lost 15dps or you just forget the almost 30% explosion velocity nerf ???
The real data is.
Before patch i hit the HACs with over 800dmg/salvo and now after this patch i damage them with 490dmg/salvo with full skills.
The Eve now 99% grind fest and 1% fun.


I don't measure my fun in ISK per hour. Loading missiles takes as long now as it did before the patch. I am killing rats with the same number of volleys now as I did before the patch. I am not commenting on the game not being different. I am saying the nerf isn't as bad as people are complaining about.

Haifisch Zahne wrote:
And, not to beat a dead horse (though it is fun), what if one isn't flying a Tengu? hmmmm? Cruise missiles (let alone torps!) aren't quite going to cut it against warp scraming and disrupting frigates when the drones are all dead. hmmmm?


GaiusAlexander wrote:
Even with the new AI, rats aren't any more dangerous to anything but a drone. Since the Tengu can just use Precision Heavy Missiles to kill those pesky frigs, I say it still has an advantage.

If you know what your doing.


My comment was just about the Tengu and the premature proclamation of it's demise. It is all I have played with in the new version. Droners probably have a legit beef. But what do drone boats do in Incursions or against sleepers? Do they avoid those situations completely? I never bothered with done skills beyond the basics since Caldari ships have littlem or no drone bays.
RasskazovAnton
THE WEE TRIBE
#772 - 2012-12-06 03:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: RasskazovAnton
CCP you finally made EVE not worth playing at all!

How come in all the past patches you never talk about nerfing all plexes. Decent drops have became so rare. I mean boxes for hour or 2 of work.

With every patch thing just get nerfed. Arent patches made to fix things ?


We pay money to train our chars - to be able to make more isk and not less.


P.S Tons of people are leaving eve for good - wake up CCP
Why take a Perfectly good game and turn it into this Retrebush**
Macaya
Little Builders
#773 - 2012-12-06 04:02:49 UTC
The following about this patch sucks :

CCP

Nuff said.
Macaya
Little Builders
#774 - 2012-12-06 04:03:24 UTC
Macaya wrote:
The following about this patch sucks :

CCP

Nuff said.


LOL Look at ebay... See how many toons just popped on there today lol
tornpain
Markovian Analytics
Olde Guarde Historical Preservation Society
#775 - 2012-12-06 04:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: tornpain
"The limit for corp hangar divisions in stations was increased to 1500 items."

This is false; we used to be able to stack 10,000+ blueprints in corp hanger divisions. Since you can't invent out of cans, large invention-style corporations need to be able to stack thousands of blueprints in a single hanger division to invent out of.

This change makes it very inconvenient for large-scale inventors with thousands of BPCs. I'm honestly not sure why this change was necessary.
Abaddon Remillard
Wayward Chickens
#776 - 2012-12-06 04:38:00 UTC
What happened to ore transfering from Hulks > Orca's? I use to be able to transfer ore from the Hulk to the Orca if my ship was withing 2500 metres now I have to Jettsion the ore from the Hulk and then tractor the ore to the Orca pain in the arse.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#777 - 2012-12-06 04:43:49 UTC
Abaddon Remillard wrote:
What happened to ore transfering from Hulks > Orca's? I use to be able to transfer ore from the Hulk to the Orca if my ship was withing 2500 metres now I have to Jettsion the ore from the Hulk and then tractor the ore to the Orca pain in the arse.


Why would that be a pain? Sounds like a convenient solution to having to be within 2500 m

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#778 - 2012-12-06 04:47:21 UTC
Macaya wrote:
Macaya wrote:
The following about this patch sucks :

CCP

Nuff said.


LOL Look at ebay... See how many toons just popped on there today lol


LOL I did, and there were exactly zero. Which means they were there and got sold, or there are none. Either way, it's no loss to CCP.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Macaya
Little Builders
#779 - 2012-12-06 05:15:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Macaya wrote:
Macaya wrote:
The following about this patch sucks :

CCP

Nuff said.


LOL Look at ebay... See how many toons just popped on there today lol


LOL I did, and there were exactly zero. Which means they were there and got sold, or there are none. Either way, it's no loss to CCP.


Try searching just Eve Online and then Worldwide..
Arabian Mistress
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#780 - 2012-12-06 06:04:21 UTC
I was really happy with all the updates CCP introduced in the last year, but this UI "improvement?" has made me not want to even log in.

1. Does it function better? No.

2. Is it easier on the eyes? No.

3. Do the HP bars update in real time? No.

4. Does it lag client side? Yes.

5. Does it clutter up the screen? Yes.

6. Are damage notifications easy to see and informative? No.

7. Do i want 20 Damage notification messages at once? No.

8. Do i want cross hairs on every ship/drone on grid? No.

9. Do these cross hairs serve any purpose? No.




This patch introduced a lot of good changes too which are a long time overdue.

1. T1 ship balances and our first new ships in a while.

2. Aggro changes.

3. Bounty System improvements.

4. New ECCM skills and ECM changes.

5. Heavy Missile Nerf+HAM (semi-buff)

6. Pretty much everything that didn't include the new UI?


Seriously though, the new UI is actually making me not want to play until something is done about it. I really hope CCP revert the changes and either work on this new UI or scrap it completely (I doubt many people will miss it).

I doubt CCP will revert this however as they don't seem to care what the player base want as they just force changes which are arguably worse than their predecessor. Add a button to USE OLD UI and I'll be happy.