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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#701 - 2012-12-05 22:22:19 UTC
I'm wondering if Bounty system is going to have a significant cash flow monetary impact.

Bounty dialog should have a total bounty roll up display for each division.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#702 - 2012-12-05 22:25:17 UTC
If you mean "slipped it in", it was announced in the devblogs.

If you mean "slipped" like "totally, horribly, miserably messed up", then I would agree WITH the caveat absolutely purposively.

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
DRONE AGGRO IS UNREAL.


This missions AI was implemented as "Sleepers AI but less drones aggro".

I suppose they slipped it somehow... Blink
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#703 - 2012-12-05 22:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
GaiusAlexander wrote:
Anyone who thinks the Tengu is obsolete now, isn't flying them right. Yes, I dropped from 730 DPS to 715, but that is not that big of a change. Range dropped from 112 KM to 70KM, while that sucks, I just adjusted my kite circle of death from 80KM around a point to 60KM. Still kill everything with the same number of volleys. Even with the new AI, rats aren't any more dangerous to anything but a drone. Since the Tengu can just use Precision Heavy Missiles to kill those pesky frigs, I say it still has an advantage.

If you know what your doing.


Really ? And how much DPS you lose when you reload ? 715x10sec=7150 ??? How many ISK you lost in a hour ? I tell to you almost 14 million lost/ hour. Did you think 65million isk profit or 51million is equal ?
And you tried to shot HAC rats and you really just lost 15dps or you just forget the almost 30% explosion velocity nerf ???
The real data is.
Before patch i hit the HACs with over 800dmg/salvo and now after this patch i damage them with 490dmg/salvo with full skills.
The Eve now 99% grind fest and 1% fun.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#704 - 2012-12-05 22:28:43 UTC
I posted this in the issues as well, but, I Just want to say that the new targeting reticles are a giant step backwards. They take up more space, make it harder to see the icon of what your shooting, and vastly looks just messy and sloppy. I would favor the old bars over this, but my original hope was what we saw in the WIP screenshots. I know you guys dislike giving people options due to having to maintain multiple portions of code, however, this, I feel might be something best given an option to players.

A lot of other MMO's have the ability to customize the UI to some degree...just saying...
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#705 - 2012-12-05 22:29:44 UTC
3BEPEB wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.
oh yeah! try to play music from soundcloud in ingame browser /0\ LOL
great decision!
... I would play it with my favourite system browser Smile

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#706 - 2012-12-05 22:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Korinne
PinkKnife wrote:
I posted this in the issues as well, but, I Just want to say that the new targeting reticles are a giant step backwards. They take up more space, make it harder to see the icon of what your shooting, and vastly looks just messy and sloppy. I would favor the old bars over this, but my original hope was what we saw in the WIP screenshots. I know you guys dislike giving people options due to having to maintain multiple portions of code, however, this, I feel might be something best given an option to players.

A lot of other MMO's have the ability to customize the UI to some degree...just saying...


CCP hates customization, if you don't like what they did, you're a flamer or a bittervet. /sarcasm

Seriously though, asking for a bit of customization or even a button to outright turn alot of this stuff off isn't that much to ask for. Alot of the reasons they give against it are just outright sloth, which in my opinion isn't an excuse for a subscriber based game.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#707 - 2012-12-05 22:31:41 UTC
Looks like you haven't been shopping lately for new skills, under Electronics. Take a peek at the new Sensor Compensation skills. The Caldari died in this expansion, apparently missiles and ECM were undeserving of any role in the game.

I guess, the Gallente got a huge whack in the head too: forget those drones now.


Syri Taneka wrote:
CaptCommando wrote:
Just saying but with the new ecm sensor skills u just basically made the ecm drones useless as the heavy's only have like 2 or 2.5 jam strength a piece so now there kinda useless even for ecm boats. with a carrier as the exception maybe since u can use like 12 of them at a time. i don't know if that was intended or not but that means unless your in a ecm boat and are using ecm mods u cant jam your way out from being killed. which means your now basically done for where as before u had a chance. just another way to promote mass blob warfare. a single person has no chance at running now


Oh noes! Your large drones now only have an 8.8% chance (each) to jam my drake (with level 5 compensation) instead of the old 10.5% chance (a 16% efficacy reduction)!

(Yeah, for those of you who weren't aware, jam chance does not stack additively; each jammer or jamming drone has its own chance to jam. While enough jammers too weak to autojam will approach a 100% jam chance, this is an asymptotic relationship - the only way to achieve true 100% jam is to have ECM stronger than the target's sensor strength.)
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#708 - 2012-12-05 22:32:44 UTC
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Moving on to the Calculator and Notepad it's obvious you don't like the calculator either. I know that you can hardly see it without a magnifying glass but instead of removing it you should implement a large easy to use one. It actually is a very useful tool that I use a lot and I don't think having to go the desktop to use the windows one is really a good idea, do you? The idea I'm trying to get across to you is to leave these things well alone until time permits you to update them. They've worked for the past 8+ years. Why botch them and annoy people when leaving them alone wouldn't of caused any problems?
Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
WheatGrass
#709 - 2012-12-05 22:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: WheatGrass
Why is there no tax charged for placing a bounty?

Mmmmm... TAX!

Are you listening S.C.C.?
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#710 - 2012-12-05 22:34:23 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Moving on to the Calculator and Notepad it's obvious you don't like the calculator either. I know that you can hardly see it without a magnifying glass but instead of removing it you should implement a large easy to use one. It actually is a very useful tool that I use a lot and I don't think having to go the desktop to use the windows one is really a good idea, do you? The idea I'm trying to get across to you is to leave these things well alone until time permits you to update them. They've worked for the past 8+ years. Why botch them and annoy people when leaving them alone wouldn't of caused any problems?
Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.


So what's wrong with effort? I mean, this isn't a free game, effort is expected to be put forth on everyone's part. 'Because it's hard' isn't an excuse.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#711 - 2012-12-05 22:34:49 UTC
Syri Taneka wrote:
Wouldn't allowing youtube streams through the EVE browser use server resources (since the browser is implemented inside the game rather than outside of it)?
The browser doesn't require any server resources, it's completely client-side.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#712 - 2012-12-05 22:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
There have been some much needed changes but over all i'd say retribution has left me feeling very underwhelmed. How long will we be waiting to get something fun and new to do in eve? I don't feel that you can class polish as an expansion.

For me personally, the new ORE frigate could have been something to be happy about but it fails. It mines 0.5 more than any other ship which is ridiculous . Yes it has a big ore bay but that isn't enough, it should have been given 3 turret slots.

Here's to hoping we get some new stuff for the next "expansion" and not just tweaks and polishes.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#713 - 2012-12-05 22:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Explorer
Korinne wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jack' Sparrow wrote:
Moving on to the Calculator and Notepad it's obvious you don't like the calculator either. I know that you can hardly see it without a magnifying glass but instead of removing it you should implement a large easy to use one. It actually is a very useful tool that I use a lot and I don't think having to go the desktop to use the windows one is really a good idea, do you? The idea I'm trying to get across to you is to leave these things well alone until time permits you to update them. They've worked for the past 8+ years. Why botch them and annoy people when leaving them alone wouldn't of caused any problems?
Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.
So what's wrong with effort? I mean, this isn't a free game, effort is expected to be put forth on everyone's part. 'Because it's hard' isn't an excuse.
It's time and effort spent that might be better spent on something else.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#714 - 2012-12-05 22:38:00 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I don't feel that you can class polish as an expansion.


That's what CCP has been doing ever since the Incarna. You would think lessons would have been learned but no. But can you really blame them? Most players are too ill informed or short sighted to realize alot of what was implimented in this patch is just a bunch of rehashing and reimplimentation of old mechanics. Maybe that has something to with the fact that alot of those informed players have already quit eve, or like myself, have drastically reduced their accounts/evetime.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#715 - 2012-12-05 22:38:55 UTC
And, not to beat a dead horse (though it is fun), what if one isn't flying a Tengu? hmmmm? Cruise missiles (let alone torps!) aren't quite going to cut it against warp scraming and disrupting frigates when the drones are all dead. hmmmm?


GaiusAlexander wrote:
Even with the new AI, rats aren't any more dangerous to anything but a drone. Since the Tengu can just use Precision Heavy Missiles to kill those pesky frigs, I say it still has an advantage.

If you know what your doing.
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#716 - 2012-12-05 22:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Korinne
CCP Explorer wrote:
It's time and effort spent that might be better spent on something else.


Like what, and who gets to decide that? Obviously enough people think it's a good use of time or you wouldn't have had to say anything regarding it in the first place. So I would assert that it WOULDN'T be best spent elsewhere. Where else are you going to spend it exactly? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much stuff you add or make look different if earlier stuff is still broken. I don't car how pretty the paintjob on your motorcycle is if the damned thing doesn't run.

Edited for grammar.
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#717 - 2012-12-05 22:47:01 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Does anyone else get the target-following camera bouncing around?


THIS^

several members of my Corp have it too- whats up with it? any word from a dev on this issue? *please and thank you*
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#718 - 2012-12-05 22:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
CCP Explorer wrote:
Because these tools cause problems on a regular basis. As we upgrade various frameworks then bugs are discovered in this legacy code, which requires time and effort to fix.


Fair enough. Have you considered an EVE Calculator? I don't mean what you have now, but something customized to the game? km/AU conversion. Graphs of DPS over optimal/falloff/long falloff with adjustable target transversal in radians, or velocity and distance, using your currently active ship, implants, boosters and boosts. Fuel/LY for active ship and current skills, if it has a jump drive.

And, of course, a plain old calculator.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#719 - 2012-12-05 22:53:45 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
3BEPEB wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:

The jukebox had no extra EVE-specific functionality and as detailed in the devblog by CCP t0rfifrans (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73569) then we felt it was better handled by implementing location-aware soundscapes. The music is on http://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/ and is distributed with the client and there are better players out there.
oh yeah! try to play music from soundcloud in ingame browser /0\ LOL
great decision!
... I would play it with my favourite system browser Smile


Hello,

I am not even so much daring.

I'd be happy to be able to start 4-5 clients and only 1 of them running the music. No can do as of now, I get all musics played overlapped => a pain.

Since apparently I am the only multi-client player AttentionAttentionAttention, I'd settle for having an option somewhere to let me turn off the in game music but still listen to the new and beautiful log in screen music.

No can do either.

So, what am I meant to do? Just play a silent EvE? Cry

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Kamenev Drang
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#720 - 2012-12-05 22:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kamenev Drang
The Hurricane. You killed it.

I mean, it went from "versatile" (which, really, shouldn't most ships be versatile?) to dustbin-of-history useless. Can't be artyfit, can't be WELPfit, can't be armourfit. GG.

In contrast, the Drake loses...nothing. Despite arguably being the stronger of the two. Because you buffed Tech 2 missiles, which will just become standard PVP fare. Tengus can still be 100Mn fit, so, still broken as ****. Maybe a better idea to balance the other B/Cs would have been to improve them, not nerf the only decent contender to the Caldari Handbag.

Ah, never mind. I'm going to train drone skills and see if the Myrm is any good.


/rant.


Other than that, love bounties :D