EVE General Discussion

An increase in the population that can supply faction items such as navy scorps, domis, etc will infact drop prices further. Implementing more items (such as the customs office BPCs, other faction ships) available to spend the LP on will help alleviate this though. I was really hoping for that "iterative cruiser balance" to fix a lot of the navy faction cruisers (the lower teired ones in particular) which would make them appealing, giving them more value.

Yep other than the stabber the cruisers really have no place. For pve there are better ships, such as the pirate ships. For pvp they are too expensive for what they add. I'm not exactly sure how to make them more appealing but they definitely need some sort of boost. Maybe more speed. Other lp items could be balanced a bit so they have some sort of role.


I don't have a problem with pvpers running the missions and buying stuff to get blown up in fw. I just don't like it when people join fw *only* for the missions. IMO that is the problem and the solution should be tailored to that problem. I think they should just say something like you can only do 40 missions until you get a certain number of vp for pvp kills.

Making missions so you have to join a fleet to run them is not tailored to the problem.

Making them more challenging so they can't easilly be done by an alt is also a good idea. I think that is more of a problem for the caldari and Minmatar militias because they have the easiest missions to run.

Agreed, indeed. We have the exact same issue with UK and EM. We are approached by them with requests for mutual blues, and its a difficult thing to agree to (though most minnie FW corps do) because they dont spend time in our warzone, even though we'll roam out through 0.0 looking for action.

The result is basically that the alliances gain protection from us shooting them in nullsec, but we receive nothing in return. And no corp that takes its pew pew seriously enjoys arbitrarily shortening its target list, even for roleplay reasons.

Here's my speculation on the reason why. In 0.0, standings are irrelevant, you can shoot whoever and nothing changes. But when CVA comes to lowsec, and starts firing on Minnie Militia, they are treated as criminals by CONCORD, and eventually they wouldn't be able to hang out in their own faction's highsec space.

If that were the case, I'd never come to our warzone to help our militia "friends" either. I think CVA and UK/EM would love to assist the militia in principle, but the mechanics make this impossible to sustain for any period of time.

Perhaps a representative from those Alliances could chime in here if they're reading list, I don't mean to insult them or pass judgement, this is merely my speculation based on what I've seen play out as well.

We have to have something for the new people to do besides learn PvP by being tossed in with Veteran pilots and learning by monkey-see-monkey-do. New players should have a role to play besides tackle and cannon / troll fodder, even if its just having some working plexes that they can run in small gangs of cheap ships, even if the veterans are doing their own thing in the larger plexes.

That's how it used to be - younger corps taking on smaller plexes in frigs/cruisers, older corps taking the lead on larger plexes in BS fleets with tech 2 ship support. There was a variety of things to participate it, and new pilots felt relevant. Thats how it was when I started - but the plexing got old real fast, and it wasn't long before hardly anyone in militias participated anymore, because half of FW pilots moved to nullsec out of boredom, and the remaining group graduated into advanced enough ships that small plexes were not worth the bother.

I hate to write a giant media site promoting FW in its current state. There isn't much to say other than there's some great pilots, who have a static war, and run missions, but there isn't any GOALS to work for or strategic objectives. The only advice I can give to newbies I can give right here - grab some rifters and ruptures, get kills on your own somehow, someway, for long enough till a corp like ours is satisfied you're not a spai and lets you in. Than, the only thing to do is hop in fleets, make mistakes, take correction well, and slowly learn the ropes as you get better. But dont expect much except the same kind of roaming much like the pirate corps do. For a lot of us the PvP is fun enough, but for others its not enough to feel like you're accomplishing anything.

But if FW is indeed "fixed" and theres some new rewards and objectives, than hell yes, there will be a host of people willing to contribute to promoting the **** out of it.

You're right Hans. When I first started I felt relevant in my little punisher out running the small plexes back in the day.

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My two cents:

1. Remove NPC corps definately a good idea it allows the militia's to more effectively manage their own militia.

2. Generate many more plexes make them give you LP for running them and just scrub the missions completely.

3. Vastly increase the LP for getting kills and award the LP evenly across the killers/gangs not just to the top damage dealer.

4. Removing the NPC navies.... This has some potential, I like the idea of widening the scope for combat hugely I get tired of roaming the same systems over and over. It gives people the chance to run gangs without capitol or pirate interference and it reduces the strain on the server generating all the NPC response.

5. Give occupancy some meaning again another good idea, station guns maybe free repairs definately. I dont like the idea of gate guns getting involved though. Perhaps some jump bridges into friendly systems? NPC ones that allow system controlling faction to use them maybe with a small charge or perhaps they could just be fuelld by the occupying forces?

6. Putting faction frigates and cruisers into the same bracket as T2 ships of the same size for plexes is a must I reckon.

7. An alert system for when plexes are being conquered is good, but we have to have the ability to turn off the notifications!

8. Like it or not RP is an element of the FW game, some "events" need to be included, e.g. NPC navies forcibly settling systems or clashing in low sec would be good.


Good thread, nice work getting it rolling Hanz.

You could remove / balance faction NPCs based on sec status. So maybe 0.5 has no NPCs but 1.0 has a lot. That way militia will have some hisec places to PvP, and there will still be safe hisec systems.

Edit: If sec status doesn't make sense, systems could be given a separate faction "sec status".

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