Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You mean like "navigation" or "acceleration control"?

So why is the "5%" nerf to tracking disruptors a different kind of "5%" from every other "5%" change you are making?

Edit: Your statement also applies sometimes to afterburner V, and the skill that affects the reactive hardener (even with the buff in retribution, since shorter cycles make it easier to get capped out and lose all your accumulated resist)

You cant trick me into logging in that easily.

Yeah we're not touching Fuel Conservation atm.

It is indeed

Thanks for the reply, Fozzie.

What a bunch of ******* whiners. Look you've been playing the game without any sensor strength skill and ecm is not being changed for strength. So noone has to train these skills. But of course people will want to train them. Do you really hate the fact that you want to train them?

Mind blown. Please CCP don't ever add skills to the game that I might want to train. I want to grind to level 80 and have a completely skilled character. Please.

5% per level for capacitor capacity, really adds nothing? Tell the Ammar that.


5% bonus to shield capacity per skill level. I suppose all those shield buffer fits are just a phase we are going through right?


5% Bonus to targeting range per skill level. A few kiteing fits would like a word with you.


Yes. Ads nothing, but is absolutly nessisary if you face ECM in anything smaller than a BC.


Learning skills changed the rate at which you could train skills, if that doesn't tell you why they were mandatory to train, I don't know what will. Now the Sensor Compensation skill changes the rate at which a combat pilot could be jammed, If that doesn't tell you why it will be mandatory to train, I don't know what will.

What is going on with the afterburner implants, as of right now they still increase the cycle time by 10% Are they going to be left alone as well?

No, that is not an ad hominem. An ad hominem would be me calling you a ******. But it is calling your argument stupid.

Stupid, because the learning skills are not by any stretch of the imagination similar to the new sensor skills.

I already did refute the point many posts ago, but very well. The learning skills did not affect a ship. They affected your character, your character's ability to learn new skills. The new skills do not affect your character's ability to learn other skills, they affect your ship. They increase the sensor strength making your ship harder to jam. Thus they are nothing like the old learning skills. They are more like signature analysis, which makes your scan resolution higher, or long range targeting which gives you more lock range, both of which make you more resistant to damping. Or like motion prediction or sharpshooter/trajectory analysis v tracking disruption.

And that is why your argument is stupid.

And, they are not mandatory either. They have not been in the game so far, and people have been able to fight without them. But, that almost everyone will want to train these skills is fine. Just as if there was no signature analysis in the game we would all just accept longer lock times, because we would know nothing else. But if signature analysis came into the game you bet lots of people would want to train it.

So stop complaining about these new skills. They are an indirect nerf to ecm. If that's what has really got you mad then say so. Frankly an indirect nerf is preferable because not every one will have these skills trained to 5. Thus it also introduces a variable nerf in addition to an indirect nerf. Some people will have it trained at 3 or 4 and some may will go for 5. So with the current stats that would be a 12% - 20% nerf on ecm. Does that bother you? It doesn't bother me, and it's not the reintroduction of the learning skills.

I see where your confusion is. Unlike Sensor Damps and Tracking Disruptors, ECM has an all or nothing effect. If ECM wasn't an all or nothing effect, I could see where this skill would be a "nice to have but not really necessary," type skill like signature analysis, long range targeting, motion prediction, sharpshooter, and trajectory analysis. Since ECM is an all or nothing mechanic, it will take the new skill out of the "nice to have" category, and shove it into the "you are going to be horribly gimped if you don't train this skill" just like LEARNING SKILLS were. Just because not everybody needs this skill, like PI alts, miners, and Cyno alts, doesn't change this fact.

That is what I'm complaining about.