Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're obviously not reading anything we say, it's been explained to you many times. Either that or you're simply trolling, so I see no point in continuing with this useless nerf the freighter idea thread.

Daichi Yamaton, we've pointed this out to him time and time again. You, like us, are wasting your time.

something i posted in another forum. it has speed, tank and over 100km3 capacity (which is no small amount) of whatever u want, but can haul a maximum of 570km3 including ore and ships.



what i think u might be missing is that the current freighters already have their stats at optimum level. to go beyond them would be going to far. so no freighter should tank more than it does atm, and no freighter should be able to carry more than it does now. if we are going to go beyond 1million m3 capacity then capital ships will be hauled into high sec, and if we are going to start fitting damage controls to freighters they will have ridiculous tanks.

in order to prevent these from happening, any freighter with fitting options MUST have its base capacity lowered such that a MAXIMUM CAPACITY fit does not reach 1mil m3. Additionally, the same freighter must have its base EHP lowered such that a MAXIMUM TANK fit does not go beyond 200k ehp. To satisfy the former would not be too difficult, but the latter will require halfing the EHP just to balance the resist bonus of damage controls.

Thus, a maximum capacity fit (of less than 1mil m3) would have an EHP of around 100k ehp before armour and structure losses are counted for astro rigs and cargo expanders. This is the point that ppl are trying to tell u. That u would completely nerf the freighter, because u have crippled their tank to something like 60k ehp for a meager 1mil m3 (because anything more would be game breaking).

the moral is, never, ever, give freighters fitting options. they are absolutely f*ing perfect as they are. u honestly could not get them any better.

if u want a faster freighter then use an orca or go +1 the mini-freighter thread

So basically you want to be able to min/max the freighter without having to make too serious of compromises and then modify other ships to make your idea work?

No other ship gets that kind of consideration. Not even combat ships. You're asking for far too much.

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Your numbers are flawed. You're assuming that people will create "balanced" fits when history shows that people will min/max certain stats to their absolute maximum.

Always assume that people will fit for either maximum cargo or maximum EHP or maximum agility... then go from there. There is no inbetween on this.

True freighter pilots don't rely on their buffer to survive a gank. The avoid ganks in the first place by using all the tricks that PvP pilots use.

and u dnt think they would? cause i would deliberately do it to ferry dreads to high sec. my lack of buffer is irrelevant when there are no bad guys to oppose me or i have an escort. and as for making caps non-unpackable in high sec, u'd be asking CCP to add extra mechanics to the game, that may even result in bugs, just for ur faster freighter? it would be far simpler to just go for a mini-freighter or an Orca.

But the real problem is u either have to cripple my tank to move 1mil m3 (when i can move 980k m3 already) or u have to let me fit a ridiculous 300k ehp tank when i tank fit. the former is a nerf or the latter is a ridiculously tough hauler. the 160k ehp of the obelisk is enough...

its that i can have the buffer AND a 980km3 hold at the moment, allowing me to afk haul large amounts of gear and/or ships. what ur asking would either allow me to haul caps into high sec (which would be well worth the loss in tank and break the game) or ur saying that i can only haul 20km3 more than i already can, but with half the tank, which makes me a much more vulnerable target when hauling in high sec.

another alternative is being able to haul some 500-600km3 of gear with a 300k ehp tank. its not invincible, but its a massive boost to afk hauling when u dont really need one. u'd have pirates dying to gate guns before they can bring down the freighters.

i'm of the opinion that u should not be able to blindly afk haul assets worth countless billions without the risk of being ganked. but such fitting options would make this a possibility.

this will not be worth it, because it doesn't work.

why should they have to change the volume of caps for ur idea?

and u've just said it urself, with ur idea we would have to chose between either the same cargo capacity as now, or the same tank as now. when right now we have BOTH.

why do u want to nerf freighters and what purpose does it serve?

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if the rigs allow u to get back to 980m3, then fitting 2x cargo expanders will buff that to almost 1.6mil m3. u dnt see the problem with that?

Goons, TEST and others in Uedama and Niarja proof otherwise...

Ok so what is the maximum m3 people will be able to reach?

And what is the maximum ehp? and if they max m3 what will the ehp be? and if they max ehp what will the m3 be?

And if expanded cargoholds dont have stacking penalties, how come when you fit a ship with 3 cargohold optimisation rigs, and 2 expanded cargohold II's the total increase in m3 will only be 59.5%?

Do the math or gtfo tbh