EVE General Discussion

This issue has been beaten to death but just for you sugar bear, one more time in a TLDR fashion.

Blasters no longer have sufficient damage or tracking compared to using AC or Pulses. They take cap, lots of fitting space, and due to changes in webs and slowness of armor tanked Gallente ships have issues getting into range, and even when they get into range their tracking is bad for being in so closewhich negates half their damage anyways. Blasters are supposed to be face melters, not jokes.

Rails have outstanding range but crap DPS, their fitting requirements are also insane. Range is no big deal as it is easily fixed by a quick probe or inty getting on you. Rails really have no business in PvP currently.

Blasters aren't good enough for what they did, and are largely irrelevant for what we do.

Rails can't do much beyond tickle, borrowing the cons of the other weapons without much benefit.

First the ships themselves don't have the tank,speed, agility, enough cap recharge/mid slots and/or the dedicated bonus for blasters and/or rails, active tanking or buffer tanking adding penalty's on your speed agility cap

Hybrids overall, have total crap:

range engagement tracking+ ammo penalty's +dmg application envelope for blasters
alpha, tracking, ammo for rails
dps/alpha for both
ton fitting requirements for both
ton cap use for both
ammo type and dmg type distribution for both
ammo cap and/or tracking penalty
ammo reload and/or size (reducing your capacity to hold more cap charges just to keep you shooting under neuts)

You play caldari from what I can read in your post introduction, why don't you use rails and blasters in your Moa, Rokh, Tengu, Ferox, Eagle etc etc?


Edit: to play any decent gallente hull you need:

MWD+Web+Scram+Cap injector

In ships with dedicated bonus:

Armor rep: very cap hungry when cycling, high power grid/cpu requirements, too long cycle (the shorter it is the faster you cap out anyway)

So let's pick the Hyperion for example: you are running 100% of the fights mwd+rep+web+scram+guns+cap inj (uses cap and pg...)

With all the drawbacks I've mentioned just above, how could you seriously advice/use for a single second Gallente and Hybrids?

You can, and you can even succeed, but you're a dead body to your fleet/gang, pain in the ass for your logis and all those drawbacks will not be seen that much just because all your other team mates (in canes drakes and harbi) will do the bigger job for you.

Blasters: If we catch it, we should kill it. That doesn't happen because blaster tracking at its intended range sucks. The drawbacks to blasters are too numerous to count (fitting reqs too steep, vulnerable to neuts, tds, yada, yada, yada..), but in return for all these drawbacks we should be able to melt anything that comes within optimal.

Rails: Arties are better in every way, use no cap. Somebody suggested reducing railgun fitting reqs to fit their fail performance. You could then use the extra slots for other stuff.

I've used hybrids on a Moa (and on a cormorant before it) back in trinity but then i climbed on a drake and havent looked back since. Got on a raven, hated it then trained lasers and nightmare for PVE.. mega beam for apoc sniping... artillery for artybaddon fleets and also some mr sniping and autocannons for the mach on ocasional specific PVE. (lasers against angels make me cry).


But at any rate, if the developers didn't have a basic list on whats wrong with hybrids they do now. Thanks =)

I see what you mean. I do hope, however they do that instead of just turning hybrids into inverted projectile weapons.

Nah i tend to troll threads from times to times.. but just those that make no sense and/or are whine threads. I genuinely did not knew what the problem with hybrids was since i never had the need to train for them. PVE is better done with a combination of laser and projectile, and PVP is also already dominated by laser and projectile so i never had the need nor desire to delve into hybrids, or gallente ships.

Besides.. who knows might help team BFF put things in perspective.

The issue with blasters isn't the damage. Fall off and traking are the real problem as you can't apply that dps.

In solo : you will be kitted.

In a large fleet : target are usually far away from you. By the time you get to range, you will either be dead or your target will be. The fact that gallente arn't the fastest ships around dosn't help.

And let us not forget that each shot with blasters consumes a big amout of cap, which dosn't give much of choice. Either tank, or dps. The hyperion is the good exemple of that. Start tanking with the hyperion (what it's intended to do) and you will end up with a BS that has the dps of a BC with the traking of a BS.

Railguns, are just bad in all aspects. The extra range dosn't compensate for the lack of dps.

Right now, the only strenght of gallente ships are drones. Blasters are too situational.

CPP needs to either increase the range of hybrids or lower gallente CPU/powergrid/capacitor needs so that they arn't forced to either dps or tank due to how energy vore blasters are.

To sum things up. Rails need more dps, blasters need the means to apply their dps.

What I dislike most about them is that they are bonused for Caldari ships, especially new player ships.

How many new caldari players have dived into Gunnery only to stop and switch to Missles.

Then you get to BS and the biggest ship is, Gunnery, great.

Then you get to Advanced/Faction BS and guess what?

Back to missles.

Pick a damm type, one or the other, having both sucks.

so, in fact we need to switch hull between gallente and minmatar, for things to works ?