EVE General Discussion

Lol, so basically I couldn't find a thread that explained this and I really just want to make sure I'm correct on it before I spend the time doing it, since I could be essentially training other things.

In order to save roughly 132 days of training this is what I'm going to need before they tier up Dessies and BC's

4 Frig in all races
5 in destroyers
4 in cruisers for all races
5 in battlecruisers

Am I correct on this or am i screwing it up ?

Yes I realize that, but if I have to get BC's or Destroyers up to 5 for each race, instead of just a single skill, in my mind it would be saving a hell of alot of time to have BC's and Destroyers up to 5 so once the patch hits all of them are at 5 because there respected pre-requisites are at 4.

That's what im trying to figure out, I know about there "If you can fly it now you can fly it later" I just would love to save a buncha time Cross Training if I can.

Geezus Tao, I really admire you :)

In other words, every single person who think they might possibly cross train eventually should train all frigate and cruiser to 3 and destroyer and BC to 5.

Unless you wanna be the guy who decides to fly Amarr command ships on that caldari character 5 years from now and headdesk because you could have saved so much time.

Whether it's 132 days or "just" 94 days, I said it before and I'll say it again - this change is ONE HECK of a kick to the tender region for new players.

Seriously, just imagine you are someone who bought EVE a week before the change goes live. There's no way in holy hell you will gain anything from it. And people who already were far ahead of you get a 90+ day "free" boost in training. How's that feel? So, now you'll be forced into 3+ months of additional training just to catch up to where they were before the change, SP-wise.

Personally the change no longer affects me, as I have all races trained already and both Destroyers and BCs to V, but I still feel it is a really, really bad idea. More to the point, it's not really necessary. By necessary I mean NECESSARY. Yes, logical progression is somewhat out of whack with the current skills. But guess what? Logical progression is somewhat out of whack in general with this game, so what else is new?

Will this change improve quality of gameplay? Will it somehow make the game fun, or just better? I just don't see it. It's one of those things that they decided to do, pretty much for the sake of neatness, and to heck with what it'll do to new(ish) players.

No, it's not. For newer players, this whole rejiggering of the skills will mean a massive discount for specialisation at the cost of a not too harsh increase in the price for generalising.

People seem to keep forgetting that this is just the T1 part of the equation. When we get around to the T2 skill trees, a goal such as all 8 Command Ships will actually end up several million SP cheaper than it is right now, and while CSes are probably the most extreme example due to their ridiculous prereq list, the same will hold true for pretty much all other T2 as well.

You mean ability-wise. SP-wise, they can never catch up. Luckily, SP is a meaningless stat to catch up with. But again, they'll get that back when we come around to the T2 changes.

Did this really need another thread? Is the search function broken? CCP, please investigate the 'Search Forums' function for proper operation.

For new pilots I don't think it will be as bad as people say. The ship is only part of the equation. For example, I'm approaching 30mil SP. And I am cranking away now to have this done before the change. But even then I will only fly one race really well. That's because there are still 4 different weapon systems (5 if you consider drones). And 2 different tanking options.

I find it interesting that they've chosen to adopt a more linear approach, as one of the things I liked about the current system was that it let me choose between the standard variations of the different hull sizes (frigate to cruiser, cruiser to battleship) or the top-heavy, destroyer / battlecruiser variations. It would have changed the experience quite a lot if I'd felt like piloting a destroyer was a mandatory next step to piloting a frigate. It's not necessarily going to make for a weaker or less pleasant experience, but I do find it interesting that thwey've gone for this linear path.

This. Same goes for Destroyers as well.

I don't fly BCs much, but I've got all frigates to V, dessies to V, two cruisers to V and the others to IV, so I might as well bump my BC from IV to V. While it's pretty cool to have all that, the clone cost jump isn't at all appealing.