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Does 24 days X 4 Races + 9 days X 4 Races = 132 Days Saved
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#21 - 2012-11-16 03:40:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I think the general feeling is that they feel they may one day want BC V or destroyers V, so they're getting that out of the way while it's easier to do so now. So not really so much to do with that magical number that doesn't actually mean anything apart from how expensive your clones are.

I myself know for a fact that I'm going to want BC V someday. I don't know if I'll every fly command ships, but BC V in itself is extremely useful for the T1 hulls.
Oh for sure. Training now is the smart thing to do since it's so much easier, especially if you intend to use more than one race.
But I have definitely heard cries of "train now for free SP!!" as if the magic number itself was the goal.

Who put the goat in there?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-11-16 03:41:35 UTC
Fluffy Sheep wrote:
My bet is on the battlecruiser multiplier lowering so you won't get as many "free" skill points as you think when the changes occur...

I don't think so. I'm not going to dig around for the quote, but there's a dev post somewhere saying the multipliers will remain the same. This makes sense, since it will ultimately be easier to specialize after the change-over if other posters are to be believed.

I reiterate the clone cost problem. These extra skill points are both a blessing and a curse.

CCP has no sense of humour.
pussnheels
Viziam
#23 - 2012-11-16 07:32:29 UTC
Why are they changing it anyway, i don't see the point of it , not after all these years
I see the logic behind it but not the reason of changing it afterso many years

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#24 - 2012-11-16 07:51:25 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Why are they changing it anyway, i don't see the point of it , not after all these years
I see the logic behind it but not the reason of changing it afterso many years


So... horses were used for transport for thousands of years, why did we changed to cars/trains/ships/airplanes?

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pussnheels
Viziam
#25 - 2012-11-16 08:31:04 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
Why are they changing it anyway, i don't see the point of it , not after all these years
I see the logic behind it but not the reason of changing it afterso many years


So... horses were used for transport for thousands of years, why did we changed to cars/trains/ships/airplanes?

doesn't answer the question why all the sudden they are introducing racial destroyers and battlecruisers skillbooks and making them mandatory to train to access a higher class ship

system worked well before why change it now

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Turelus
Utassi Security
#26 - 2012-11-16 08:53:30 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Whether it's 132 days or "just" 94 days, I said it before and I'll say it again - this change is ONE HECK of a kick to the tender region for new players.

Seriously, just imagine you are someone who bought EVE a week before the change goes live. There's no way in holy hell you will gain anything from it. And people who already were far ahead of you get a 90+ day "free" boost in training. How's that feel? So, now you'll be forced into 3+ months of additional training just to catch up to where they were before the change, SP-wise.

Personally the change no longer affects me, as I have all races trained already and both Destroyers and BCs to V, but I still feel it is a really, really bad idea. More to the point, it's not really necessary. By necessary I mean NECESSARY. Yes, logical progression is somewhat out of whack with the current skills. But guess what? Logical progression is somewhat out of whack in general with this game, so what else is new?

Will this change improve quality of gameplay? Will it somehow make the game fun, or just better? I just don't see it. It's one of those things that they decided to do, pretty much for the sake of neatness, and to heck with what it'll do to new(ish) players.


New players lose out on a lot of things, T2 BPOs, The days of Sanctums in all of NullSec, Incursions paying 120mil/hour etc.
The game will always be evolving like all MMOs, unless you were there from day one you're sure going to have missed a bunch of stuff.
Most newbies probably wont even realises what the change means any way.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#27 - 2012-11-16 10:44:43 UTC
Of course a lot of folks are assuming that "Amarr Battlecruisers" will be a rank 6 skill like it is currently.

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Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#28 - 2012-11-16 10:48:15 UTC
I have Destroyers lvl 5 and all of the racial frigates lvl 5. I also have Battlecruiser lvl 5 aswell as all the racial cruisers to lvl 5... so how many sps will I get?

hmm
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-11-16 12:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
pussnheels wrote:
Why are they changing it anyway
To make it more consistent and logical.

Quote:
system worked well before why change it now
Because it was stupid before. They're changing it now because it'll be better this way.

Mara Rinn wrote:
Of course a lot of folks are assuming that "Amarr Battlecruisers" will be a rank 6 skill like it is currently.
Largely because they've said that it will be.
wingm4n
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-11-17 01:46:26 UTC
Ur235 wrote:
I have Destroyers lvl 5 and all of the racial frigates lvl 5. I also have Battlecruiser lvl 5 aswell as all the racial cruisers to lvl 5... so how many sps will I get?



Interesting point. So if SP are being introduced into the game.. we better start backing up our clones.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-17 01:55:17 UTC
Ur235 wrote:
I have Destroyers lvl 5 and all of the racial frigates lvl 5. I also have Battlecruiser lvl 5 aswell as all the racial cruisers to lvl 5... so how many sps will I get?


1 536 000 * 3 + 512 000 * 3 = 6 144 000
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#32 - 2012-11-17 09:44:28 UTC
This doesn't concern new players in any way, you will start being competitive in one race at around 30mil SP, after that you can start considering cross-training. Which in any case is something you don't have to do at all.

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