EVE General Discussion

Getting shot at by the Minnie Navy when I go to Rens makes me a sad panda.

But let's face it I'm out to dismantle the Republic, so why wouldn't they shoot me? I'm quite sure that an Israeli soldier wouldn't be welcome guest in the Gaza strip, so I'm not surprised that the red carpet isn't rolled out for me when I go to Minniestan.

Likewise, the thought of the Imperial Navy standing down when a dirty Minmatar terrorist turns up in Sarum Prime makes my blood boil.

So all in all, there should be some sort of NPC response in high-sec space. But maybe there could be a limit to the number of NPCs spawned or a delay in how long it takes for them to respawn after dying, so that it's possible to get a fleet together and raid the enemy without too much interference.

NPCs in complexes? I don't really mind if they stay or go. But if they stay, then they need to be balanced against each other so that it's not easier to defeat or evade one race's NPCs than another's.

The idea would be that we move away from NPC enforcement and towards player enforcement. That's really how most things should work, but I definitely take the point from people who argue that this might pretty seriously hurt the causal players.

You are completely forgetting about the ones who messed up their own faction standings below -5.00 without ever getting enlisted in factional warfare. You take out faction NPC's and suddenly faction standings means nothing unless you're enlisted in a militia. Otherwise you can just screw your own standings in faction missions and not have any penalties.

I was actually thinking about FW changes in a bit of an old west 'landgrab' style.
Currently the FW landscape is quite fixed, and the only way it could be much more dynamic and less 1 empire versus 1 other empire would be in new space.
What I'd do is add a new bunch of wormhole systems that can be claimed for your faction, allowing for a very dynamic battlefield.
These wormhole systems, and the way they connect to eachother would be a bit more map-able than the current wormhole system allowing for more strategic theory crafting to take place. This means that the battlefield, which starts out not owned by anyone, will allow your nabouring system to switch from being an enemy to being a friend to being a different enemy in a matter of days, even if no system changes hands.
Also, it being innitially a land grab with no background information about what systems are 'suppost to' belong to which factions, it is far more freeform than the current system.
Do not, however, use the current wormhole systems for this idea, as you'd get in the way of allready established gameplay.
Things to consider would be (among other things):

-under what circumstance will the overview start working like it does in known space?
-under what cirumstances will sleepers appear in a system, if at all?
-what gameplay can be generated from occupying and keeping a wh system for your faction?
-If you cannot generate missions where you need to travel to a specific wh system due to the changing connections, what mission types would generate pvp action? Placing beacons ,which establish system control, that players can jump to from other wh systems?
-Can wh system control be linked to the ability to access the known space market?

Easy solution:
- Remove ability to dock in ANY station in enemy high-sec.
- Apply PvP timer (and keep it applied) when entering enemy high-sec (to mitigate log-offski), starts counting down normally once out of enemy high-sec.
- Remove ability to benefit from ganglinks provided by a neutral (friendly militia's only) and/or make them on-grid.

Since cloaks have been 'banned' from enemy high-sec since day 1, this should give you fast raids into border (0.5-0.7) systems and larger incursions (read: RR blobs!) into core systems (0.8+).
Will take a week for the various militias to deploy probers in key systems with regular FW blobs wielding the hammers.

Hmm, low hanging fruit for quick patch?

Plexes:

redistribute the spawning to throughout the day
add more plex variations so noobs in T1 ships can actually compete without Dramiel/Vigilant/Cynabal etc
reward for plexing - ranking would be good for plexers, but missioners shouldn't be included in that ranking system
Change NPC spawns so all of them are equal, and they don't provide too much of an advantage to defenders.
Plexes should not be able to be speed tanked - make it so all NPC have to be dead before timer counts down
Material reward for plexing - LP or random faction ship bp drops from plex NPC

Missions:

These should not be soloable in a SB etc. Stop cloaking in a mission to ensure that there is some element of danger in a FW mission, or remove the gate so warping in can be done quickly.
Make the missions harder - 3 mins to get 25k lp is not exactly balanced.

For gods sake, sort out the map. Activity levels have changed dramatically in FW areas and links between systems and between high and low sec need to change to reflect that.
Minnies need access to high sec around their home areas, and Amarr need better access to low sec. Pretty sure the Gall/Caldari have similar problems.

Also, get a move on. We are losing players daily that have lost hope in FW being fixed.

I do like the idea.

I think it's a step in motivation in the right direction for FW. There should be concerns about the safety of "newer" pilots. I think you should consider keeping the FW NPC's in 1.0 high sec space - although Rens is not 1.0 space, someone will setup a hub in the nearest 1.0 space to the war zone (and the warzone will open up as well) for FW pilots to work safely from regularly.

Doing something along those lines would keep some balance to the safety of the zones and be somewhat sensible.


I am also slightly concerned that this change might broaden the "warzone" too much - but it would stop people from sitting in the militia for the hell of it and never actually partaking IN the war.


So, I think this could be a good move, balanced with concerns over security for the FW noobies and the fact that RENs and Amarr will be camped in 24-7...


You really need to reinvent the sovereignty system - please take a look at my thread in Features board for my personal ideas that has many pages of commentary from people you see here as well!

Features & Ideas - FW Redesign Thread

Soundwave, can you explaing WHY you want to get rid of the faction Navies?

This will create a much larger combatzone, but do we really need more space to fight in? I think not. The quality of the fights in the existing space should be improved. Quality above quantity. We need more people in FW not more space to fight in!

I thought one of the points brought up recently was to make standings matter more, not less.

I agree to removing faction police and navies. If you have bad standings to an empire then let players enforce the law. Say I have -5 to Amarr and I enter their space then I should be flagged as shootable by everyone. Militia should also be automatically flagged as a war target for all to engage. Similar to the smuggling concept where players could be flagged for carrying contraband.

You could make the concept a bit more complicated in that only those with a positive standing to the empire gets kill rights.

I also agree that if you have bad standings to a corp or empire you should be restricted from docking or at least incur fines.

There are a lot of ways you could leverage standings, player enforcement and player run "incursions". Allowing for your idea would certainly tick off a lot of mission runners. Not an entirely bad thing but you'd get a lot of rage and tears that way.

Actually, that would put my freighter pilot at risk too...