Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello,

I dont think the current freighter does its job very good. Its either slower than neccesary, undertanked, or with a cargo bay much larger than needed.

For example, when flying empty some people dont need 200K EHP and 800K m3 cargo space. Some would prefer speed instead. When hauling smaller quantities with alot of value some would prefer tank over m3. When hauling large quantities with little value some would prefer m3 over tank etc.

With fitting options this could change and we would be able to better utilize the freighter for these different kinds of situations

The basic idea is to lower the default size of the cargo bay, as well as the structual hitpoints. Then via rigs and low slots have people build a freighter with similar stats as the current one if they want.

With 3 rig slots and a calibration of 300 you will never be able to get more than about 52% increase in cargo capacity from rigs according to my calculations. The rigs will probably be most used to increase m3, since they only penalize armor. The freighters buffer tank lies in the structure. So people will prefer Cargohold Optimisation Rigs over Expanded Cargoholds, since Expanded Cargoholds significantly impact structural hitpoints and thus their buffer.

Some have said that freighters cant have over 1 million m3, because that would allow for capitals to enter high-sec. However i dont believe this is the freighters fault. Instead of punishing it to fix this problem, the capital themselves should be 'punished' or nerfed or what have you. Basically in order to have a capital ship take up only 1.000.000 m3, it has to be repacked. If they can be kept repacked when in high-sec im not sure what harm they can do. Depending on what impact this could have on the game -Your thoughts please? - a solution could be to remove the ability to assemble them in high-sec. Then you would be free of the 1kk m3 mark, and dont have to worry about players exceeding this on a freighter.

The mark will definately be exceeded by some if fitting freighters is going to work properly, not because the goal is to be able to have 1kk m3 cargoholds, but because low-slots are needed for the tank, and have to exist. However trying to push the freighter to 1kk m3 will come at cost to the tank. On top of the 3 Cargohold Optmisiation Rigs you would need 1 or 2 Expanded Cargoholds which significantly reduces structural hitpoints, and the structural hitpoints are the freighters main buffer. By fitting Expanded Cargoholds not only are you reducing the buffer you are also not fitting a DCU or Reinforced Bulkheads which was suppose to bring it back to the 200k EHP mark, as it has today. In other words the freighter might be able to carry 1kk m3 but it will be easier to gank. The benefit is that players will be able to give and take depending on the circumstances, and if they fit wrong or get surprised, they might end up being ganked. It will also allow players to more effectively complete logistics tasks, which i know some people dread the thought of. However, there is no reason haulers and industrialsts should not be able to optimise and specialise their ships when PVP'ers etc. can.

Why not ?

Indeeed why not! Why can't you have at least some flexibility in how you want your frieghter to perfom. By all means have it still align slow compared to other ships standards. But why can't I have more buffer if I feel I need it in exchange for less cargo space? Why not?

This is just a discussion on the freighter, why or why not it should have fits

Fear, uncertainty and doubt

Honestly, now we know what it takes to pop one in highsec, it's clear to me that fears have been misplaced

Could see allowing nano fibers or inertia stabs being fine

Wouldn't want to see one with 7 bulk reinforcers and a damage control though lol

They could add T3 Freighters still without any slots or rigs, but like that it would be easy to refit them

like that you could configure your Freighter for Cargo, speed or durability (no cloaking)

I would give freighters 1 low slot, and not enough CPU for a dcu.

You contradict yourself in the above. You say they don't need 800km3 space then you explain why they should be able to get over 1000m3 space. (Highlighted above)

You say they are over tanked, then you explain how to make them tankier.

Don't change freighters, instead introduce a new transport with more cargo space rather than warp core stab or cloak.

I disagree with that comment. I use my freighter quite often with no issues. I am perfectly happy with freighter as it is for the purpose it serves. I will agree that a new class is needed somewhere between Freighter and Industrial. Perhaps a Tier 2 Quick Freighter. (see next persons comment)

Deleted some posts that were basically trolls.

Keep posts on topic and respectful, even if you disagree with someone.