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I'm not sure I'd survive that.

These questions were answered in the first few pages of the discussion, but I will answer them again.


Flying a cruisers does not and will not require the Frigate/Destroyers skill. (Training the cruiser skill, not flying the ship requires the lower rank skills.) If you can fly the ship now you will be able to fly the ship after the change.

After the change, training a cruiser skill will require you to have the racial destroyers skill. If you already have the cruisers skill, you can continue to use it to fly cruisers regardless of your destroyer skill level. You will not be able to continue training cruisers until you get the racial destoyer skill to level 4.

You will get the destroyer skills for each race that you have Frigates 3, and you will get the battlecruisers skill for each race that you have cruiser level 3. The level of the destroyer/battleship skills will depend on your current destroyer/battleship skill. The racial frigate/cruiser skills are simply checked to see if they are at level 3 or higher.

Just train all the cruiser skills to level 3 or better and train Destroyers and Battlecruisers to level 5 and you automatically get the new skills at level 5.

Overall I think that the balancing changes look very promising, and as a Gallente pilot I can't wait for drones to be viable outside of hisec and PvE.

May I also suggest an aesthetic change to the command ship models in order to bring them more in line with other T2 ships like HACs? The demios/ishtar use the thorax/vexor hulls as they are gunship/droneship respectively. Therefor would it not make sense that the Eos would use the Myrmidon hull as opposed to the Brutix? Surely it would be easier (in terms of lore) to imagine that a Myrm was upgraded with the Warfare Links rather than trying to cram a larger dronebay/control.systems and the warfare links onto a Brutix hull? The same concept could also be applied to the Caldari and Amarr CS, although I am unsure how the Minie CS would work with this idea.

Guess I've always figured that the hulls should align with the primary weapons' systems of the craft in question.

Thoughts, criticism and ideas?

mm.. after further thinking perhaps a ship bonusing only 15% for what is meant to be its specialist role is still a bit low as you could still use a T1 bc to do much of the same thing for a lot cheaper i think if you want to make these the go to ship for links for a major strength bonus over a little more versatility.. T3..
perhaps a 15% a lv might the the right area.... T3 8%and just redo the link skills as they are a little complicated really to understand perhaps a simpler system of adds 1 points to link strength per lv. the link gives 5points and then the ship bonus adds its bonus to find the overall strength then convert that to a %.
I forgot about the other skill that adds 10% a lv aswell

Also the skirmish link boosting the range of webs/scramblers/disruptors is 3.75 instead of 2.5 which ends up at 37.5% on a loki atm ... shockingly high. and even 32.5% on claymore please change this to 2.5% like the rest its far too easy to get 100km out of a rapier.
Although i think 60% a lv bonus is far too high anyway with the prevalence of faction webs being value for money.

Since I'm in the process of training for a carrier, I would appreciate an answer with regards to when the new capital skill rebalance (lvl4 BS skill for racial capital ship) is going o take place. With Retribution on 4th of december? In the next summer expansion? At the end of next year? It would be really nice to know also which will be the new prerequisites for racial capital skills, if they've been decided of course.

As long as they don't make beautiful Legion useless I'll be happy.

Im irish and i might, but my horrible grammer and spelling would be even worse than it already is. Personally i dont give two S$%$s about the skill change over considering in a few days ill be able to fly every sub cap in the game, but i can hear the mice squeaking about this slight difficulty ... but whatever ill hear the $$$$$ and complaints in corp chat and the tears pouring from new players but again not too concerned, Newer players should learn how to fly one race well first anyways before even thinking of going multi racial and this skill change reinforces this idea which makes my life so much easier because i wont have to explain to noobs why u dont fit hybrids to laser boat, or lasers to a projectile boat (freak fits excluded from this odviously cuz some work very well but way too advanced for newer players) so thank god and thank you CCP for that... but again ill add this revamp rebalance stuff.... there going way to overboard on. Tech 3 crusers, sure nerf there ability to give fleet boosts so command ships actually have purpose, is the drake over tanked... yes i think it should be a tough SOB but maybe not as much as it currently is, Noobs should not be able to run lvl 4s 3 months after they start the game in a battlecruser... thats just not right. Prophacy as drone boat.... some one should really go look in a mirror and smack the crap outta themself for even thinking about putting that on paper when they are going to re do the AI in missions so they are like sleepers and drones are usless and making the one good mission ship battlecruser for amarr completely friken useless.... Myrm.. whatever.. hurricane.. meh whatever id say dont touch it but id be asking too much because someone will complain cuz they fly amarr and getting double neuted is sooooo unfair... .(fyi i fly amarr) all the other stuff... whatever.. i cant B$$$$ and rant all day cuz ill pass out at the key board again and lose something shinny again to belt rats Lastly 17 slots WTF... CCP again.... NO TOUCHY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HORRIFIC IDEA! DONT GO SCREWING WITH WHATS NOT BROKEN...... Ok going to go pass out in a ditch now for a few days and maybe ill check the status of the random continues rants about repeats of the begining of this post..... Nite all

Love the changes, and i would LOVE THE HELL out of the dominix if it wasn't a flying space potato =(

Now that we are getting racial BC's and Destroyers does this mean we will eventually get factional versions of these ships?

Are we really ok with the current state of tracking enhancers and T2 ammo?