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Anslo
Scope Works
#221 - 2012-11-02 15:25:45 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Why did the EVE IN 3 WORDS thread get deleted??? Normally I see the point to moderation but come on. In a sea of whinning and rage, you'd delete something..fun?


It didn't get deleted. It got moved to Eve Fiction P



Oh welp, never mind. Thanks Falcon o7

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Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#222 - 2012-11-03 11:03:13 UTC
Something mildly interesting happened here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168629&find=unread

"Thread locked at OP's request"

I have no particular beef with that thread or the ISD involved, and I agree that the thread's main issue was resolved. What interests me is that it seems to imply ownership of a thread by the OP. In my opinion, once a thread has been created it should belong to the community as a whole. It would be a shame if a good discussion were shut down because the OP decides to take his ball and go home.

So, again, no problem with the specific thread but I am interested in the policy of "thread ownership."

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.
CCP Falcon
#223 - 2012-11-03 16:13:31 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
Something mildly interesting happened here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168629&find=unread

"Thread locked at OP's request"

I have no particular beef with that thread or the ISD involved, and I agree that the thread's main issue was resolved. What interests me is that it seems to imply ownership of a thread by the OP. In my opinion, once a thread has been created it should belong to the community as a whole. It would be a shame if a good discussion were shut down because the OP decides to take his ball and go home.

So, again, no problem with the specific thread but I am interested in the policy of "thread ownership."


It's been a policy of ours since the EVE Forums first began, that if someone starts a thread they have the ability to request that it's locked.

Smile


CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#224 - 2012-11-03 17:45:29 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

It's been a policy of ours since the EVE Forums first began, that if someone starts a thread they have the ability to request that it's locked.

Smile


Waah! Sputter! Unsub!

Well I would prefer otherwise, but if that's the policy it's cool Smile

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#225 - 2012-11-04 04:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Just making a final post that forum moderation on Eve-O is the worst I ever encountered.

I personally moderated forums such as TWC, various corp forums where I was a director on different alts, but the lack of teaching your volunteer mods basic reading comprehension is absoluetely unaccetpable.

Roughly 20 years of posting on message boards and newsgroups and moderating them, and not even a warning - ever. Then, I get banned on EveO by some illiterate redneck...

Thought I may volunteer and help improve the situation myself, but that action convinced me I'd have to work with the worst morons haunting the internet

If I could remember the Idiots name I'd invite him, so he can take over morons. after I left - he's more qualified than I'll ever be.

No - I'm not emoragequiting, just quitting these forums.

Rejeoice!
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#226 - 2012-11-04 07:40:42 UTC
^ So your saying the ISD is racist?

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#227 - 2012-11-04 20:27:31 UTC
Just to clarify here;

ISD cannot and do not ban people or nominate people for banning; that is a CCP level decision.
I have no idea what happened in your situation, LCO - but it was not the moderator team that did it.

I know there are a few infractions that can merit an automatic ban without receiving a warning; using racist terms is one of those reasons however.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#228 - 2012-11-04 22:26:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Edit: Removed specific moderation quesiton; please see the OP for details - ISD Suvetar

One more question
Is making BOND in MARKET FORUM against rules of FORUM ?
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#229 - 2012-11-04 22:47:40 UTC
Hi Kell,

If you have a question with a specific moderator action, please review the OP of this topic to see what you can do about it.

In general terms, regarding you question of Bonds:

You are able to post about them - you may not however, post rules that decided who can and who cannot post in your topic; it is a market discussion forum after all.

I hope this clarifies this situation for you.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#230 - 2012-11-04 22:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Edit: Snipped specific moderation discussion.

Please see this post for instructions on what you are allowed to do.

ISD Suvetar.
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Doomheim
#231 - 2012-11-05 02:03:16 UTC
Does it ring any ALARM BELLS AT CCP WHEN 20% OF FORUM POSTS ARE LOCKED. Your moderation is very very strict, i used to enjoy eve online forums and i dont anymore. I quit these forums, not the game. ISD team and CCP mods can chat with them self when rest of the player base has left the forums.

U have no clue.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#232 - 2012-11-05 02:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Hi,

Respectfully; I think we would all be very interested to understand where you get that particular statistic from ?
If you're talking about a pure number of locked posts; you should take into account that the forum software automatically locks a thread that has been inactive for 90 days.
That fact alone explains why it seems that so many posts are locked if you go back long enough.

Regarding your claim that we're too strict; as a lead in the CCL team, I can assure you that we endeavour to moderate as little as is possible. The sad fact is that some people insist on forcing our hand, by using multiple accounts and alts to try and prove a point that really isn't an issue and other disruptive behaviour.

Ultimately, the Forum rules and the Terms of Service are clear in what is allowed and not allowed; you might not agree with those rules, but they still apply.

As is our responsibility to ensure that those rules are followed.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#233 - 2012-11-06 15:45:03 UTC
I am honestly very confused. The moderators interpretations of the rules seems completely arbitrary and inconsistent.. That said, the end result seems to be forums that DO NOT drive me away from game. The tone of general discussion, the most active subforum, really determined whether I resubbed or not. But, the heavy forum nerf has rendered them useless as a Celestis.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#234 - 2012-11-06 19:44:56 UTC
Just experienced the worst moderation on another forum. I got a three day ban for politely disagreeing with a forum admin and having evidence to back my assertions.


CCP, thank you for not being that bad.


And lets not get started on the Travis-ty on a popular Star Wars forum a few years back.




These forums have issues, yes. But they are by far not the worst out there.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#235 - 2012-11-06 23:25:44 UTC
I think CCP needs to hire a song writer to come up with some kind of Barney or Lamb Chop songs, that explains all moderation or disputes with admin should happen through the petition system and no other system but the petition system.

Probably the only way to reach the posters of this forum, and allow them to learn and understand proper procedures.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#236 - 2012-11-07 03:16:40 UTC
Without children songs backing them up, they are bound to end in disaster. Communication always has to play a part in proper procedure and CCP does not have the communication music up to speed yet.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#237 - 2012-11-09 06:38:22 UTC
I received an email that said "your post below was removed for bypassing the profanity filter."

There was no post in the email, and I never bypass the profanity filter.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Expending Doom
#238 - 2012-11-09 10:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#239 - 2012-11-09 12:35:18 UTC
This is the forum rule you should be following:

Forum rules wrote:

Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.


A post saying 'I don't like X, fix it already CCP you noobs' is NOT a perfectly valid post. It's not constructive, it doesn't provide a path to merit debate and it attracts trolls and flaming and quite frankly it's rude.

As my colleague stated; if you dislike an idea then make a good post about it. Explain what you dislike, suggest things that can be done to fix your perceived problem and encourage people to discuss the subject.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
CCP Falcon
#240 - 2012-11-09 16:40:23 UTC
While I can appreciate you're trying to iron out differences, this isn't the place for discussion of bans and warnings.

The rules are set in stone regarding this, so please don't discuss them any further. Smile

Quote:
10. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.

Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please file a petition.


This kind of discussion only leads to ranting and raving.

For the record, LCO if you did petition, then you went about it the correct way and we thank you for doing so. A lot of people don't, and end up getting themselves into further trouble for ban evasion.Smile

Lets keep discussion of bans and warnings off the forums please, they're a private and confidential issue between CCP and the player in question.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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