EVE General Discussion

1 & 2. I would equate completely preventing pirates from entering high sec with being an increased police power. I fail to see a difference. Either way you are restricting/penalizing based on criminal activity, which is in other words "policing" no?

3. So you want to force them to pod themselves, in addition to guaranteeing that their ships are destroyed. You are also suggesting the only other option is to get locked in a player ship, and be completely denied the ability to play or even train skills for duration. In other words, lets say for simple sake of argument that you can imprison them for a week. You just cost that subscribing player a full week of his monthly subscription, in which he was unable to respond in any way.

I'll ask again in regards to number 3, would you be perfectly fine with pirates having the ability to "kidnap" you, and keep you aboard their ship for an undefined period of time in which you also couldn't train skills etc.

4. You seem to be under the impression that all pirates have played for years, or that everyone in high sec just started playing yesterday. In fact there are plenty of pirates who are quite new to the game, as it doesn't take a large number of SP to be successful, this is evidenced by the prevalence of suicide ganking in relatively cheap, low-SP threshold ships. There are people who start a life of piracy from day one, simply because they enjoy that style of play. There are also people in High Sec who have been there since this game came out of beta. So, i'd say your point here is completely moot.

I'd also like to point out that i'm not a pirate, or out to prove anything. However from an objective standpoint, you are trying to restrict one style of play, via several new game mechanics, while directly pandering to another style of play.

You think it sounds really awesome because you are looking at it from only one side, the side of the policeman, which in this case is also nominally the high sec carebear. You think it would be awesome to have all of these tools to punish pirates and gankers, imprison them, remove SP or prevent them from training, alternatively be forced to suicide not only their ship, but their pod as well. You think it would be awesome to have unlimited kill rights on them, allowing you to jump on cheap kill mails while they are being concorded, an entirely risk free form of pvp for you. I understand that all these things sound awesome from one very particular point of view. I'm asking you to put yourself in the shoes of the ganker, or the pirate, and seriously consider it from that point of view.

Consider being prevented from playing at all for a period of time while imprisoned, there is nothing fun about not being able to play at all. Consider having your hard earned SP removed, this also isn't fun in any way if you are on the receiving end. Consider a Pirate player who has the ability to kill you with impunity due to some game mechanic, with the assistance of an NPC organization that can one shot you, you have no way to fight back, you simply die. How is this fun?

What you are in effect suggesting, is the removal of the pirate profession from eve completely, as it would no longer be viable.

Except that he isn't suggesting you take away CONCORD, just that we let players without negative security status shoot pirates with impunity, and apparently imprison other players for undefined periods of time, preventing them from all actions to include training their skill queue.

In fact this thread not only asks for a risk free high sec, it also seems to be requesting risk free pvp for carebears. This might just be a first.

dismissed suggestion once OP described PvP as "griefing"

Oh, the howls are shrill and the crying is voluminous. I never said what the periods of time would be, they would clearly be determined by some standard rule CCP would set, like 1 hour or 5 days or something like that. Please.

If evil pirates can team up, attack the prison and blow it up to free the inmates, why not? And of course policemen loose skillpoints too, if they cannot defend their detention site. I mean, failing this way deserves some kind of punishment, doesn't it?

This seems extremely gimmicky and prone to exploiting and or griefing, and i'm still not entirely sure what exactly is being accomplished in exchange. Also, it'd still result in periods of time where a player was unable to actually play the game. To avoid such a problem, you'd have to make the amount of time incredibly trivial, at which point the amount of effort to implement this becomes a waste.

It wouldn't work anyway. As someone already mentioned, you'd just suicide your clone and pop up in your clone station. Capsuleers are immune to this .

That's my point with the capture/arrest of clones/destruction of cloning facilities; also capsule neutralization tractor beams so you can snag a capsule and stop him from SD/jump cloning. Like handcuffs.

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