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Buff Mining Yield Massively
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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-31 00:03:40 UTC
Double the yield of all mining ships, then reduce their cargoholds by 10x.


Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#2 - 2012-10-31 00:04:39 UTC
get more alts.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-31 00:05:34 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
get more alts.


or teamwork. MMO afterall...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-31 00:05:45 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Double the yield of all mining ships, then reduce their cargoholds by 10x.




Why would they do that?
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-31 00:07:42 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Double the yield of all mining ships, then reduce their cargoholds by 10x.




Why would they do that?

Why wouldn't they?

mr.mackinaw can't solo afk mine for 30 minutes.

buff canflipping.

make botting harder.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#6 - 2012-10-31 00:08:42 UTC
jensklag?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2012-10-31 00:09:10 UTC
Well we certainly need a higher ship than the hulk. As far as I can tell the mineral prices are still "TOO DAMN HIGH" and we need more universal yield to fix it to balance out the supply / demand ratio. Since we're likely not going to get more yield from a sudden influx of new miners we need to buff the yield of the existing ones to reach our goal.

The Drake is a Lie
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-31 00:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Xercodo wrote:
Well we certainly need a higher ship than the hulk. As far as I can tell the mineral prices are still "TOO DAMN HIGH" and we need more universal yield to fix it to balance out the supply / demand ratio. Since we're likely not going to get more yield from a sudden influx of new miners we need to buff the yield of the existing ones to reach our goal.


Make mining ships belt destroying juggernauts, disgusting amounts of yield. But to effectively use them you need alot of people working together very very carefully. Jetcans will be the main source of ore transfer, delete ability to transfer straight to orca or to secured container.

This will make it so that mining OPs are not boring time sinks and it will massively buff "can flipping".

Then mining corps will HAVE to hire competent PVP pilots to fight off the guys in itty frigates stealing all their ore. Or learn to defend themselves.


If you can keep a smooth mining operation going effectively without being destroyed by the hi-sec pirate wannabes, then you become rich. If you can't.... then pack your bags.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-31 00:16:00 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Double the yield of all mining ships, then reduce their cargoholds by 10x.




Why would they do that?

Why wouldn't they?

mr.mackinaw can't solo afk mine for 30 minutes.

buff canflipping.

make botting harder.


Anything but a mack would be unhable to run it's strip miners for a full cycle. Not even sure a mack could.

People would not be dumping in cans anymore than now.

Botting would be just as easy but legit mining would be more of a pain in the ass. Chaging the code a bot runs to make him unload more often is not that hard...
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-31 00:18:49 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Double the yield of all mining ships, then reduce their cargoholds by 10x.




Why would they do that?

Why wouldn't they?

mr.mackinaw can't solo afk mine for 30 minutes.

buff canflipping.

make botting harder.


Anything but a mack would be unhable to run it's strip miners for a full cycle. Not even sure a mack could.

People would not be dumping in cans anymore than now.

Botting would be just as easy but legit mining would be more of a pain in the ass. Chaging the code a bot runs to make him unload more often is not that hard...


Change code to make exhumers only able to dump ore into jetcans. Forget the cargo bay entirely.

End to botting as we know it.

He can mine all he wants, but the can flippers will steal his ore and become rich instead.


Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-31 00:28:03 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Double the yield of all mining ships, then reduce their cargoholds by 10x.




Why would they do that?

Why wouldn't they?

mr.mackinaw can't solo afk mine for 30 minutes.

buff canflipping.

make botting harder.


Anything but a mack would be unhable to run it's strip miners for a full cycle. Not even sure a mack could.

People would not be dumping in cans anymore than now.

Botting would be just as easy but legit mining would be more of a pain in the ass. Chaging the code a bot runs to make him unload more often is not that hard...


Change code to make exhumers only able to dump ore into jetcans. Forget the cargo bay entirely.

End to botting as we know it.

He can mine all he wants, but the can flippers will steal his ore and become rich instead.




Whats the point of doing all of this? **** off miners? Kill the supply of ore/minerals to market? Make YOU easy money instead of the miner? They just rebalanced mining ships and you want them to change how the whole profession work?
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-31 00:29:29 UTC
Give Hulk and Covetor a Role bonus I might use it again.

3 x 20 is still not as good as 2 x 40. They really goofed the Hulk when they exempted it from those role bonuses. Aside from that the way Barges are right now is fine.

Say it again, either return legit rocks to missions or get rid of the ISK in mining missions and provide minerals.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#13 - 2012-10-31 00:29:47 UTC
Then botting will be in duos. miner and Iteron.
Any "simple" change can be countered with a "simple" solution.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#14 - 2012-10-31 00:30:43 UTC
Reduce their mass, buff bumping.

Who put the goat in there?
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-31 00:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Frostys Virpio wrote:


Whats the point of doing all of this? **** off miners? Kill the supply of ore/minerals to market? Make YOU easy money instead of the miner? They just rebalanced mining ships and you want them to change how the whole profession work?


Wrong, if you have half a brain to run a functional mining op you should be making alot more money.

Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Then botting will be in duos. miner and Iteron.
Any "simple" change can be countered with a "simple" solution.


Its not as "simple" as you think.

If anything, you need to sub two accounts to bot now. And people can steal your ore while you are doing it.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-31 00:35:39 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Well we certainly need a higher ship than the hulk. As far as I can tell the mineral prices are still "TOO DAMN HIGH" and we need more universal yield to fix it to balance out the supply / demand ratio. Since we're likely not going to get more yield from a sudden influx of new miners we need to buff the yield of the existing ones to reach our goal.


Mineral prices are not to high.

High sec mineral prices need to go up; not down. It's the mineral prices keeping goods in high sec at dirt cheap prices, and causing a lot of the industrial problems in regions that aren't high sec.

If they were to high people wouldn't be building **** in high and importing to null, they'd be building it in null.

If you want lower prices on minerals than join a frigging null corp where mineral prices are almost half what you pay in high and people actually pay fair prices for goods.

My god, you people are charging half what you can get for a frigate and you want mineral prices to go down? WTF.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-10-31 00:35:40 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


Whats the point of doing all of this? **** off miners? Kill the supply of ore/minerals to market? Make YOU easy money instead of the miner? They just rebalanced mining ships and you want them to change how the whole profession work?


Wrong, if you have half a brain to run a functional mining op you should be making alot more money.


Being in a corp does not mean you have a working brain. It only mean you wanted to be in a group with people. I am pretty sure your suggestion will never be implemented for 1 really fun reason. They just rebalanced 2 ship with the goal to be used to mine SOLO. I guess CCP does not want everybopdy to mine in group...
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-31 00:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


Whats the point of doing all of this? **** off miners? Kill the supply of ore/minerals to market? Make YOU easy money instead of the miner? They just rebalanced mining ships and you want them to change how the whole profession work?


Wrong, if you have half a brain to run a functional mining op you should be making alot more money.


Being in a corp does not mean you have a working brain. It only mean you wanted to be in a group with people. I am pretty sure your suggestion will never be implemented for 1 really fun reason. They just rebalanced 2 ship with the goal to be used to mine SOLO. I guess CCP does not want everybopdy to mine in group...


CCP doesn't want to encourage solo play. They are just tired of hearing the nonstop whining from miners on the forums.

You need half a brain to run a mining op with a bunch of can flipping vultures out to get you.

All my suggestion does is promote pvp, makes mining fun, and rewards the players that actually use their brains.
Hypercake Mix
#19 - 2012-10-31 00:41:47 UTC
I would be okay with this if mining suddenly involved more active management. Like, what if miners had to use a scanner to bring up gradients like PI and match the rotation of the asteroid to maximize yield?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-31 00:42:20 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


Whats the point of doing all of this? **** off miners? Kill the supply of ore/minerals to market? Make YOU easy money instead of the miner? They just rebalanced mining ships and you want them to change how the whole profession work?


Wrong, if you have half a brain to run a functional mining op you should be making alot more money.


Being in a corp does not mean you have a working brain. It only mean you wanted to be in a group with people. I am pretty sure your suggestion will never be implemented for 1 really fun reason. They just rebalanced 2 ship with the goal to be used to mine SOLO. I guess CCP does not want everybopdy to mine in group...


CCP doesn't want to encourage solo play. They are just tired of hearing the nonstop whining from miners on the forums.

You need half a brain to run a mining op with a bunch of can flipping vultures out to get you.

All my suggestion does is promote pvp, makes mining fun, and rewards the players that actually use their brains.

How does having to fly back and forth to a station more often make mining fun? People don't mine in OPs in high sec because it's not needed.

If anything, by reducing the OUTPUT that a mining barge can achieve you would encourage more people to mine in Ops sinse that's how you would get that output back.

Not to mention the mineral output in high sec needs to be seriously slowed.
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