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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#121 - 2012-10-26 19:57:58 UTC
teroarea wrote:
Quote:
Re: war
From: Bad Messenger
Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08
To: ev3rmor3,

I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.

Yours
Bad Messenger

war
From: ev3rmor3
Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08
To: Bad Messenger,

I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want



Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever

Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation.
ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance.

This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on.


PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has


I cleary can accept your view point in this matter, you wanted to cause isk losses for our friends and you are not willing to compensate possible caused losses and you want to continue this mutual war after all.

I do not see how CCP is failed because we both agreed that this war can be mutual.

As this thread shows current wardec systems is working as intended.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#122 - 2012-10-26 20:01:39 UTC
Alliances are overrated anyway. Too much drama and politicking. Stay independent.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#123 - 2012-10-26 20:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? not even an alt on an active account to log in to negotiate with. All inactive accounts.

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#124 - 2012-10-26 20:04:48 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#125 - 2012-10-26 20:07:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.

But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with Lol (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#126 - 2012-10-26 20:09:53 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are.

That a war can be kept active by a dead corp with all members on inactive accounts is most certainly an exploit. Try reading the EULA you agreed to when you signed up.
Cudos to you for finding a way to exploit the new war dec mechanics. But according to the EULA actually using an exploit you have uncovered is a banable offense.
Slasher88
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#127 - 2012-10-26 20:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Slasher88
Bad Messenger wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are.



Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right ....
And to add to the top of it all a monocle *** wololololo
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#128 - 2012-10-26 20:10:17 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

This might be a lesson for all people. Inspect what wars you are jumping to before joining and alliance and be cautious if you happen to see sociopath Finns involved.



There's no point in thinking about it .. when you will get war from RR to Liandri Covenant please make mutual ...

PS : I tried to close this matter in an honourable manner but I see there's no point
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#129 - 2012-10-26 20:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.

But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with Lol (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)

Understandable. But now that it has been brought to your attention you want billions of isk to fix it?

You are using an inactive corp to grieve an active corp through exploiting a flawed mechanic. As I understand the EULA that is not acceptable and can get your active account banned.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#130 - 2012-10-26 20:16:49 UTC
Slasher88 wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are.



Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right ....


we all are warned about using exploits, just read eula, I have never exploited anything or i have never got personal warning about using exploits, all i have ever done is working as intended and confirmed from ccp.

As in this matter route out of situation is to leave corp and make new one, if you are not willing to use it , it does not make me or any other as exploiter.

And for Bugsy VanHalen i want to say that CCP hardly can ban you if you have inactive account. EMPE is not even inactive corporation, everyday some of those members log in and even undock.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#131 - 2012-10-26 20:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Bad Messenger wrote:
Slasher88 wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are.



Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right ....


we all are warned about using exploits, just read eula, I have never exploited anything or i have never got personal warning about using exploits, all i have ever done is working as intended and confirmed from ccp.

As in this matter route out of situation is to leave corp and make new one, if you are not willing to use it , it does not make me or any other as exploiter.

And for Bugsy VanHalen i want to say that CCP hardly can ban you if you have inactive account. EMPE is not even inactive corporation, everyday some of those members log in and even undock.


Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P.
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
#132 - 2012-10-26 20:21:49 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Antares 04 wrote:
Romanian Renegades, a corp that has been around as long as EVE has, joined an alliance. That alliance decced a 10-man corp and RR left the alliance shortly thereafter for their own reasons. AFTER they left the 10-man corp made the war mutual and now, due to mechanics, RR can't join any other alliance due to being at war as an 'agressor'.


Emperor Throne Guards is hardly inactive and a corp with proud pvp history. I disapprove labeling them as "empty shells". Why, i'm online most days and could pass information to people needed to talk about this wardec.

Also, that internal memo brings back lots of memories. Legendary corporations, legendary pilots, legendary times Lol


Legendary e-word, on the part of your main. I'm curious as to why you are still allowed to post with your alts, after the stunts you've pulled.
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#133 - 2012-10-26 20:26:03 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
teroarea wrote:
Quote:
Re: war
From: Bad Messenger
Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08
To: ev3rmor3,

I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.

Yours
Bad Messenger

war
From: ev3rmor3
Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08
To: Bad Messenger,

I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want



Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever

Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation.
ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance.

This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on.


PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has


I cleary can accept your view point in this matter, you wanted to cause isk losses for our friends and you are not willing to compensate possible caused losses and you want to continue this mutual war after all.

I do not see how CCP is failed because we both agreed that this war can be mutual.

As this thread shows current wardec systems is working as intended.



If I would have agreed with this war we were still in Happy Endings alliance; game mechanics does not allow closing the war when we went out of alliance becasue you set it mutual in next 24hrs during cooldown period.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#134 - 2012-10-26 20:26:10 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P.


So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive? Shocked
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#135 - 2012-10-26 20:35:47 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P.


So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive? Shocked

No they could ban you for exploiting a flawed mechanic for the purpose of grieving.
According to the EULA grieving is a banable offense.
According to the EULA using exploits is also a banable offense.
When CCP imposes a ban they can ban all accounts linked to the same I.P. if they so choose.

You are obviously not using the war mechanics as intended, As your alt character, in your alt corp, who is involved in the war and keeping it active, is on an inactive account.
The fact that their is no mechanic for dealing with this issue makes this an exploit.
The fact that you are using this exploit to grieve an active player on an active account is a violation of the EULA.
The fact that you do not understand this seriously diminishes your credibility.
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
#136 - 2012-10-26 20:40:44 UTC
teroarea wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.

This might be a lesson for all people. Inspect what wars you are jumping to before joining and alliance and be cautious if you happen to see sociopath Finns involved.



There's no point in thinking about it .. when you will get war from RR to Liandri Covenant please make mutual ...

PS : I tried to close this matter in an honourable manner but I see there's no point


You...
I like you. *Grabs popcorn*.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#137 - 2012-10-26 20:44:05 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P.


So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive? Shocked

No they could ban you for exploiting a flawed mechanic for the purpose of grieving.
According to the EULA grieving is a banable offense.
According to the EULA using exploits is also a banable offense.
When CCP imposes a ban they can ban all accounts linked to the same I.P. if they so choose.

You are obviously not using the war mechanics as intended, As your alt character, in your alt corp, who is involved in the war and keeping it active, is on an inactive account.
The fact that their is no mechanic for dealing with this issue makes this an exploit.
The fact that you are using this exploit to grieve an active player on an active account is a violation of the EULA.
The fact that you do not understand this seriously diminishes your credibility.


Purpose of grieving? No, as we came to conclusion that both are willing to continue this war, even willing to expand, mutual is just right thing, not grieving on anyway.

Offering surrending terms and not accepting those is not grieving, it is just failed diplomacy and negotiation, and when that happens war starts or continues.
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#138 - 2012-10-26 20:49:45 UTC
It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ".
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#139 - 2012-10-26 20:52:40 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ".


Some people might learn something about new wardec mechanics in this thread.
dark torr
FCSB
ROMANIAN-LEGION
#140 - 2012-10-26 21:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: dark torr
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ".


Some people might learn something .



yeah we do .. it's clearly that CCP FAILS