Warfare & Tactics

Hey! I am nice, except when its time to not be nice.


But yeah I'd hit that

Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt.



You do understand that they declared war on us with intent of breaking us and ruining our enjoyment. Not other way around. Why should we feel bad for 200 man corp attempting to make war on 10 man corp?

Dead God I hope whoever the next person to Hargoth an alliance is keeps this mechanic in mind.

Also, if someone wants to kick a corporation from their alliance, could they wardec their own one-man alt corp, kick the corporation, make the war mutual and thus prevent that corporation from ever joining another alliance?

And if so, could they then end the war with the alliance itself, but keep the mutual war with the corporation going forever?

I'm not ignorant. You can use all the time you want ranting about "claring issues" but it wont change the fact that OP and his corp are NOT STUCK in this war, they DECIDE to be stuck in it. Maby it's time to stop crying and really think your options and do something about it.

Look, ccp knows the war dec system has issues. Complaining won't change that. Suck it up, deal with the repercussion, and be patient. War decs are not fixed in a day unless you want another breakable system. Givem ccp time to plan a fix. In the mean time...

Have your ceo make an alt ceo toon.
Place the alt in charge of ur corp.
Have CEO drop said corp then start version 2 of said corp.
Everyone drops the old corp save for the alt ceo, and joins version 2.
When the wardec issue is fixed, re join the old corp.

About the only issue maybe taking a week to setup corp if you need standings for a pos. Really, this isn't too hard to deal with.

You are right, this is just great

Off Topic :
wow reading the posts in this forum just make me loose my faith in humanity . really dudes your FW fudes are so pathetic , reading trough i understand that some of you leet caldari fw have found a way to get plexes stuck so you and only you can farm them after dt (i mean that is a pvpers dream right we all like to rat rat rat ) . You guys give out the impression that u are a very active pvpers but it seems you are just a carebears with a grudge , same mentality as a little boy that has to share his toys with other people.

50 bil for surrendering yes ofc . For 50 bil dude there are some ppl out there that would grief the **** out of you by just using theyre alts and i think that most of the ppl that are stuck can raise that kind of money or band up and camp you in your systems.

On Topic :

The fix :
Even tho i share the oppinion of a dude in here that you need to know what can happen before you do it and not cry after it's been done ( other than that sir u are a moron) i still think that this type of problem does not help the war system and it will actually make war decs dry up . More people are probably going to write about this and i might get it's headline in one of the two eve news sites that are up so u can kiss that wardec goodbye in prob a few weeks or a month .

One other thing is that you should not be able to lock someone in not doing smth , and not pay for it . I would find it fair that if a crop wants to declare a mutual war they should pay the same price as the agressor and as long as the war is active both parties should pay for it . I guess it would be fair for the defender not to pay anything in the first week of the war and after a week both parties should pay a reduced ammount since "Concord has to be made aware of these things and inform all of theyre officers about it , that costs time and money".

Another thing would be that you should be able to join a Alliance when u are under wardec . Why ? Well u can do it with a char and you are not able to join the same corp for a period of 7 days or until the war ends , this should also apply corp wise and this care if the war is still active and the specific alliance would inherit the war .

Ofc this is my oppinion and yes it would help brake the hole perma war thing some of you ppl think is soo great . It would prevent the hole disband your corp thing that i find rather ******** . It would prevent innocent ppl that get cought by this because they have a ******** director in the exec corp in the alliance that they are in .

The eventual Exploit :

Everybody might form a corp compised of hi sec ganking alts and scout the current wardecs join that alliance for a day or two enherit the war , leave decalre it mutual and grief the **** out of all the people that want to have fun with this sistem , it would also make 0.0 alliance invicible since they can lock the regular agressing corps in place so they won't be able to joi na alliance ever again .

As it is now it looks to be on a very small scale , ofc what i worte before is just a idea that anyone can have in 5 minutes of reading this topic .
The buttom line is this is a very badly thought out mechanic that creates a loophole for some ppl to vent theyre anger towards other players for not letting them spinn arround a object just so that they can see that wallet ....

And for the two duses posting crap before sry i couldn't be arsed to remember your names you guys should go back to playing wow . And telling ppl that you have been arround longer that they have is so dumb at least for this game since as u can see beeing arround alot doesn't really reflect your level of knoledge u posses and ofc you might get shitted on in the same way by someone who has played less and is smarter than you

Ok so let me get this straight.

The OP has a corp that has been in EVE since the beginning. Cudo's to that.

They wanted to get in on some faction warfare and joined an alliance involved in faction warfare. perfectly logical thing to do.

The alliance they joined then declared war on a corp that not only did not belong to one of the opposing miltia, but actually belonged to the same side. The Op's corp did not agree with the alliance war dec as it went against the faction warfare they wanted to participate in and left the alliance.

The war deced corp than made the war mutual within 24 hours locking the OP's corp into a never ending war with an alt corp they can not attack as they are never online.

this mutual war started not by them but by a dumb ass alliance leader they did not agree with is now preventing them from joining another alliance.

I would say this is definitely an exploit and should be addressed. True they may have made a bad choice in joining that alliance, but that is not something they should never be able to recover from.

How is this an Exploit?

Well say for example I used an Alt corp to **** off an alliance I did not like and get them to war dec me. I would then of course make that war mutual to prevent them from taking it back.

I then transfer all my characters out of that corp except for maybe a market or forum alt or two. But keep the corp active to keep that war dec going.

Now any corp in that alliance that choose to leave would carry that mutual war dec with them. That corp would now not be able to join any other alliance due to that active war, and would not be able to fight back against me as no pilot in my little alt corp ever leaves a station. All the corps that were in that alliance would be perma locked into a war dec with an inactive corp and I would not need to shell out any isk to keep it going indefinitely.

And many of you including the GM's involved don't see a problem with this mechanic? This is, no matter how you look at it an exploit. If it is working as intended then every small corp/alliance that has been war deced by the GOONS can make that war mutual, then move all there active characters out of the corp to a new corp leaving only inactive alts to keep the war going. The GOONS could end up with hundreds of mutual wars providing zero targets for their PVPers. This would not cost them anything directly as the mutual war would have zero maintenance costs. But if enough corps did this it would massively increasing their costs of future war decs, and at the same time grieve any corp in the GOONS that choose to leave that alliance.

I only use GOONS as an example as they seem to be the most hated large alliance currently in the game. This could happen to any corp looking for a new alliance.

The fix for this would be simple. A mutual war could still nullify the cost for the aggressor corp. But if the aggressor decides to back out then the defender should have to pay to keep the war going. I am not suggesting having the defender become the aggressor, but perhaps divide the cost of the war between the two sides with the total being reduced to the base 50 mil. This way if the defender choose to keep the aggressor locked in it would cost both sides 25 mil each for as long as the defender choose to keep it going. This would at least put some accountability on the defenders side after making the war mutual. After all a mutual war is no longer aggressor against defender but both sides would now be aggressors as it is now mutual.

If this does not work at least allow for corps who leave an alliance to shed the wars mutual or not after 24 hours. The only exception to this should be if the corp had the war dec on them from before they joined the alliance. they should not be able to shed a war dec by simply joining and leaving an alliance. But at the same time should not be forced to carry the aggression flag from all the wars that alliance was involved in whether they agreed with the wars or not.

They didn't start the war. The alliance director did. They did not agree with it so they left the alliance. But they are still punished as if the hole thing was their idea.

Making a war mutual should not be done at zero cost unless both parties want to keep it mutual.

Once you decide to make a war mutual you are no longer a victim, you are now also an aggressor as you have basically countered the war dec with a returned war dec. If the original aggressor decides to back out the original defender should have to pay to keep the war going. Any thing else opens up to many opportunities for grieving.

Romania Renegades will declare war to the alliance you are now (Liandri Covenant) and we have a request to you ... make this one mutual also so we can have fun and see how much isk you can miss.