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As a personal rule, the price would be the value of your initial loss or a comfortable percentage of it that gave you the kill rights in the first place.

If you lost a hulk, you might value those rights at hulk price (or 50%, whatever). Most people won't buy them ever, but its possible, at the right opportunity, someone would pay it just for a particularly fun fight depending on what they find the person in question in.

This way, if the pirate is more interested in clearing the kill right, he's essentially paying you for the food he took out of your belly.

I like the bounty side of things, but the killright changes just seem very bad. Very strong in some ways, very gameable in others. A list of concerns:

- There doesn't appear to be anything to prevent you from continually flagging someone with a suspect flag until they die.

- There's no protections against the criminal purchasing his own killrights with an alt. I know you guys said that you want to do something about this on an iteration, but it should really go in at the same time, even if you have to delay it.

- As a followup to the above, a criminal is heavily disadvantaged if they don't purchase any freely available killrights against them and use them up immediately. The only value in killrights will likely be selling them back to an alt or corpmate of the criminal in question.

- I don't know when the killright payment is deducted, but if it's immediately done when you purchase the killrights it's going to be very easy to scam with. Set up an alt with a high bounty, get fake killrights on your alt, sell them for a modest price and sit your alt in a baitship outside jita 4-4. Dock if you ever get a suspect flag.

Some suggestions:

- Purchasing killrights or activating them requires a modest CONCORD fee. Maybe 100k or 10% of the purchase, whichever is greater.

- Do the iteration on killright purchasing before releasing it.

- deduct isk for killright payments on successful kills, ie when the killright is removed.

- It might be worth reconsidering the implementation of killrights entirely; perhaps moving them more toward something like the bounty system is going to be. The idea that killrights should be generated or lost when, say, somebody loses a frigate or shuttle makes the system very easy to game. You should tie isk value of losses into it somehow, so that a killright where someone blew up my industrial full of meta2 capital mods is worth more than if I lose my favorite +3 clone in lowsec.

ok bro then post more...

dont make me have to reactivate alts so i can like you more...

i just moved out and am poor

That's cute. Come up with that yourself?

Umm, ok, so you went and revamped a bounty system rather than:

Make bounty players drop a unique Tag for the ship, and ID the corpse with a date.

Allow contracts to be set up and assignable to players / alliances so that people can build up reputations as bounty hunters and be reputable hires or alliances can offer bounties to their members.

and avoid 99% of the new coding/bugs/exploits you just introduced.

And allow players to still get full value bounties which is the whole ******* point.

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That, rather than OMNI bounty hunter eve where reputation and skill are required.

So, EVE-Kill is about to explode with a flurry of people podding themselves with their alts to claim unclaimed bounties.

Secondly, this will make things very interesting. Nicely done.

That still requires Kill Rights being available first. The way he says it implies place any bounty, suddenly able to get kill rights. Why would you place bounty yourself on someone you are going to blow up when kill rights are already available?

the tears of gankers and neutral RR alts will flood Jita on Dec. 4th. I am just happy that pirates got a little boost with all of these highsec changes

explosive brofist to you!

I am loving the changes being implemented here. Piracy will have it's just deserts, but not ridiculously.

A few things I'm not quite clear on:

1) At what stage will a kill right be generated in low sec? Attacking the ship? Killing the ship? Attacking the pod or killing that?

2) Can someone with kill rights who has chosen to not rent it out activate the kill right themselves making the target suspect to everyone, or does it have to be made publicly available to make the flag public?

3) Will the rental fee on kill rights be paid to concord or the owner of the kill right?

4) Are there plans to give the kill right OWNERSHIP to someone else, rather than just rented access?

5) Will the noctis (or, heaven forbid, it's T2 counterpart) ever be able to use salvaging drones, what with being the go to salvage boat.


Thanks for the informative dev blog and incredible development. REALLY looking forward to Retribution. This will be fun.