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Dev blog: The Retribution of Team Super Friends

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Dirael Papier
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#21 - 2012-10-11 15:26:39 UTC
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More selective kill right selling – this is similar to the one above, only for kill rights instead of bounties. This basically allows the owner of the kill right to select more carefully who can purchase the kill right.


That's going to be important. Otherwise a person that has purchasable kill rights on them will just hop in a noob ship and have an alt kill them to get rid of the kill rights. (Of course, the person that sets the kill rights price can set it high, but if it's too high then why would other people buy the kill right either? So either they pay a small amount to get rid of their own kill rights, or the sellable kill right isn't an issue for them because nobody will want to pay the high amount.)
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-10-11 15:26:42 UTC
I want one of those brofists! Also, this is pretty awesome stuff!

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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-10-11 15:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravcharas
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Kill Rights will now be created at the same time a Criminal flag is put on a player, but only for attacking in hi sec or podding in low sec.

Wait, what? Unless I'm mistaken, under the old system a kill right is granted when your ship gets destroyed. Is this being changed to granting a kill right for merely being the target of aggression?
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2012-10-11 15:27:44 UTC
Exciting stuff! Nice one Super Friends, you've earned your hoodies Lol

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#25 - 2012-10-11 15:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Punkturis
Salpad wrote:
Excellent implementation of the bounty system (and matcing 100% with ideas I've had for several years), but I have one question:

About 5 years ago, when I was a tiny noob only a couple of months old, I flew into low-sec to sell some stuff and got ganked. Now, I have nothing against the player who ganked me and my industrial (with expensive T2 fittings in LOW slots!), but ever since then, I've held a grudge against the player's character.

The problem is, this was about 5 years ago. I still remember the name of the character, and I have him on my Watch List. He's been there all the time, because I figured some day I'd become a wealthy merchant prince and be able to pay some mercs to make his (character's - not player's!) life miserable for few days or weeks.

But I don't think I've noticed his icon coming online or going offline, at all, in the last couple of years.

Do I just have to place a bounty on him (e.g. a couple of billion) and then trust that if he truly has stopped playing, I'll get the bounty back in 6-9 months? Or is there some way for me to find out this before I decide to place the bounty?

I'll happily throw a large amount after his bounty, if I know it'll do some hurt, but it feels like I'm dumping the ISK into a half-year void at 0% interest.



we're going to make it so you can't place bounty on inactive characters

I like that you still hate him though after all this time Blink

(I just realized I only replied to the first question)

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#26 - 2012-10-11 15:29:32 UTC
Ravcharas wrote:
Quote:
Kill Rights will now be created at the same time a Criminal flag is put on a player, but only for attacking in hi sec or podding in low sec.

Wait, what? Unless I'm mistaken, under the old system a kill right is granted when your ship gets destroyed. Is this being changed to granting a kill right for merely aggressing?



Yes.

I believe it was mentioned in passing on the crimewatch blog.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#27 - 2012-10-11 15:29:56 UTC
Natalie Cerulean wrote:
While part of me was hoping for a system in which bounties meant that someone could be shot anywhere I suppose this is a good way to protect the "pure" carebears while at the same time the "buyable" kill rights mean that even if they are just a weekend warrior in terms of pvp they can still be attacked in high sec.


Keep in mind, if somebody puts a bounty on old Salpad the Carebear (with no good cause for doing so), and it meant I'm killable in high-esc, then I flat out wouldn't be able to undock in anything except shuttles (and with a jump clone with no implants). It would severely cramp my style, and I'd strongly be tempted to quit playing forever, not because it's unfair, but because a kill-rights-in-high-sec on me bounty would make the game completely unplayable for me.

And I'm not some immature rage-quitter. I'm simply saying, if I become unable to undock, then I will unsubscribe and never come back.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#28 - 2012-10-11 15:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
crosspost from GD thread

If you want to remove your killright, you buy it with your alt and then shoot your main while it's in a shuttle (or an unfit frig for a 'real kill') to avoid any great loss. Is this right? Is it a problem?

There was talk of buying your own killright with the character the killright is against in order to lose it. Is this still possible?

e: gc does in fact stand for general cidsussion
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#29 - 2012-10-11 15:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
CCP Punkturis wrote:


we're going to make it so you can't place bounty on inactive characters

I like that you still hate him though after all this time Blink

(I just realized I only replied to the first question)



Do you think this can be abused to "Test" who is actually currently activated? THere is a degree of anonymity when it comes to those things, combined with other tools, a corp could easily suss out how many players in a corporation are actually "active" players?

I believe that when the new War Dec system was being initiated, this was one of the things they wanted to avoid, was the ability for a war deccing corp to figure out how many characters on an alliance were actually "not playing" when calculating dec costs (but trials didn't count).

Where I am.
jyppy
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#30 - 2012-10-11 15:33:27 UTC
Active kill rights leading to a suspect flag free-for-all - can't wait!

Also interested to find out useful information on how the CSM stakeholder experiment is working - input levels, feedback, disagreements etc.. will CCP be giving a view/blog on this? I'm sure the CSM will, in their own way :p

'I don't want to be a puffin'
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
#31 - 2012-10-11 15:33:38 UTC
Awesome! Finally, after all the teasing :D
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2012-10-11 15:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Blog wrote:
If you have a kill right against someone, you can activate that kill right to make your target a suspect (i.e. give him a Suspect Flag, as explained in the crimewatch blog[link]). This allows anyone in the vicinity of the suspect to engage him legally.
OW! That's just nasty! ♥♥♥ Twisted
Presumably, if he gets exploded while this surprise-suspect timer is active, the kill right is exhausted, right?

…oh, and btw: you might want to insert that link.
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-11 15:34:08 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
we're going to make it so you can't place bounty on inactive characters

I like that you still hate him though after all this time Blink

(I just realized I only replied to the first question)


And if the character goes inactive after the bounty is placed, will it bounce back? If so, how long would they have to be inactive (as I can see that being an exploit to escape bounties). Lastly, what happens with all the current bounties?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#34 - 2012-10-11 15:34:15 UTC
I foresee an entire miniprofession around getting pirates like myself to aggress you to generate the killright, and then selling the killright for a profit.

This will mean, as a consequence, pirates will stop shooting small things, or at least there will be a disincentive to it.
Tetsel
House Amamake
#35 - 2012-10-11 15:34:32 UTC
Bounty pool even if cool to avoid exploit, I don't think is reflecting what a bounty is, I mean bounty hunter are not supposed to undock to get a part of the bounty (lol freg kill), they should take all of it !
Bounty on corp/ally is cool.
killright selling/buying/ transfering is great.

Thx Team Superfriends

Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel

Another Bittervet Please Ignore
CCP Paradox
#36 - 2012-10-11 15:34:35 UTC
Just highlighting the part of the blog that has iterative work:

"More selective kill right selling – this is similar to the one above, only for kill rights instead of bounties. This basically allows the owner of the kill right to select more carefully who can purchase the kill right."

CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

Space Magician
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#37 - 2012-10-11 15:35:21 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Also, bounties can now be placed on anyone, we’re removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.

Oh cr**

Not thrilled about this one.

One would think that with max ss CONCORD would refuse to accept the bounty for such a good person.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#38 - 2012-10-11 15:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Here's one thing.

Can you earn multiple kill rights?

Because, imagine if I blow you up 10 times in a row in gank season, and then I just activate my own kill right rental you set and kill my own ship. It's gone.


See what I'm doing there? Killrights should accumulate if you want this to work correctly.

Where I am.
CCP Paradox
#39 - 2012-10-11 15:36:19 UTC
Bagehi wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
we're going to make it so you can't place bounty on inactive characters

I like that you still hate him though after all this time Blink

(I just realized I only replied to the first question)


And if the character goes inactive after the bounty is placed, will it bounce back? If so, how long would they have to be inactive (as I can see that being an exploit to escape bounties). Lastly, what happens with all the current bounties?


Basically every two hours or so, the bounty office will return/reimburse players with any bounty amount they set against an inactive character. (At the moment, a character must be on an account that has been inactive for 5 months).

CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

Space Magician
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#40 - 2012-10-11 15:36:32 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
we're going to make it so you can't place bounty on inactive characters

I like that you still hate him though after all this time Blink


I'm not really sure I hate him. EVE is just a game. But it sort of became a minor and peripheral ambition of mine, that I might one day become a wealthy merchant prince and be able to buy some revenge on this pilot. Now, five years later, you're finally making that possible.

What about him knowing who placed the bounty, though? And what about bounty retraction for that other guy to whom I lent ISK?