EVE General Discussion

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/crimewatch-2-is-highsec-made-safer.html

Will highsec become a safer place once Crimewatch 2 is implemented? Certainly. Not hugely safer, but moderately so. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous, or simply towing the CCP script.

tl;dr: I personally think the Crimewatch 2 changes are necessary and good, but I argue that their net effect is to make highsec safer. I call out those people (esp. CCP and CSM) who would state that Crimewatch 2 will not make highsec safer.

How does highsec become safer? Crimewatch 2 (CW2) aims to curtail certain highsec PvP tactics, tactics which are popular under the current implementation of Crimewatch (now known as CW1). Some of these changes are necessary, but that doesn't change the fact that by adding penalties to those tactics they will see a decrease in their use, which will result in an overall decrease in PvP activity in highsec.

I'm not arguing that CW2 is not a necessary change. For the most part, it is highly necessary, and has a number of excellent features. It certainly simplifies what was an overly complex system in CW1. All of that doesn't change the fact that the net effect in highsec will be a decrease in ship kills. There's nothing in CW2 that encourages an increase in highsec PvP.

What tactics does CW2 curtail? Can-flipping goes away completely. No longer can the stupid be tricked into PvP. Ganking. CW2 does not eliminate ganking, but it does curtail certain aspects of the highsec gank. Neutral repping is curtailed, since they are open to attack by anyone. Station games are curtailed. That anyone with a suspect flag can be attacked by anyone (not only the person you aggressed) will curtail certain types of player-on-player aggression. Not too mention that victims get killrights just for being attacked, not for being killed.

Some might argue that it is good that these tactics are being eliminated or mitigated, that those tactics were unfair and dishonourable. I don't argue that PvP needs to be made fair and/or honourable, though. I do argue that PvPers of all varieties look for advantage. Without a sense of advantage, PvP tends to not be initiated. CW2 acts to curtail certain advantages, which curtails certain types of PvP, which makes highsec a safer locale in which to play the game.

So if someone tells you CW2 is going to have no effect on highsec PvP, they're kidding themselves or simply not being honest.

"There's nothing in CW2 that encourages an increase in highsec PvP."

All those new flashy targets won't encourage pvp?

Or did you mean, CW2 Does not encourage gankers who lack the skills to fight someone who might be able to fight back?

or of course, pvp'ers can go FIND fights and stop dicking around playing testosterone tiddly-winks shitting up local.

you know, i woke up today thinking i'm gonna go do some solo pvp for a while just for kicks and my first task is to find a nice lowsec system and go for a stickybeak. win lose or draw. not fussed.

and in my pre-dawn musings, I didn't even consider putting out a little can out front of Rens or Hek or Jita and faff in local all day to get a "fair, gentlemanly engagment" with neut reps and all other associated bad mechanics.

if cw2 does anything, it's gonna make highsec pvp'ers man up. if they can't handle it then tough - they were never meant to be pvp'ers.

for mine, cw2 is gonna punish the lame & lazy, the cheats and morons and those highsec pvp km's are going to have some cred attached.

finally.

If "manning up" = "softening" then I've read this all wrong.

No, it's just going to make them use bigger fleets, and even more RR than they do today.

In that case your post is a bit ambiguous. It makes it sound like you support the Crimewatch changes. I'm not attacking you, just saying that's how it comes off across as.

And after reading about CW2 changes do you find yourself more or less likely to consider doing that and do you think other players are going to be more or less likely to do that?

Because if the answer isn't "Yes, under CW2 I would be more likely to go and fight in highsec and I think other people will be more willing to start fights in highsec too." then it should be pretty apparent to you that CW2 discourages people from starting fights in highsec, which in turn makes highsec safer for carebears to churn out money in at zero risk. That is what highsec PVPers don't like.

It's not an issue of my game being negatively effected, it's an issue of The game being negatively effected.

So your complaint is, fail pvpers, who are too scared to lose a ship and only want easy targets that can't fight back won't go flashy......
That's Terrible!

"Can Flipping" Ain't PvP, Trying killing something that actually shoots backs. then come back here to discuss.

Zzzzz

Sissy slap PvP will still be around, they just have to pick safer systems for themselves. OH WELL.